Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[Clark Kellogg]

Does “take a pepto tequila shot and 2 aspirin” qualify as medical advice?

HaHa! That reminds me of my Father. God rest his soul. He medical answer for most things were “take 2 Bufferin and a shot of whiskey “.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Trying my hand at a trade filled mock offseason that makes the team tougher to play against but doesnt sacrifice the youth or financial flexibility going forward:

Gallant hired as HC

J. Gauthier selected by SEA

P. Buchnevich + B. Howden to FLA for A. Lundell + FLA 2nd
R. Strome + L. Hajek to MIN for M. Foligno + MIN 3rd
F. Chytil + NYR 1st to ARZ for C. Dvorak (people will hate this one)
Z. Jones + FLA 2nd to NSH for M. Ekholm
NYR 4th to LV for R. Reaves

E. Haula signed for 1 year/4 mil

I. Shesterkin signs for 5 years/5.5 mil per
B. Smith rs-signs for 2 years/1.5 mil per

By my math these moves leave them with ~3 mil left to play with. Plenty of space to make a move at the deadline if they so choose.

Opening Night Lineup

A. Panarin - M. Zibanejad - V. Kravtsov
A. Lafreniere - C. Dvorak - K. Kakko
C. Kreider - A. Lundell - M. Foligno
M. Barron - E. Haula - R. Reaves
K. Rooney/C. Blackwell

Obviously sacrificing some skill to remake the center position and toughen up the bottom 6. Dvorak & Haula are both comfortably over 50% on FOs the last few years. Reaves would really only get in the lineup against the heavy teams in the East (BOS/WSH/NYI) but Rooney & Blackwell would be great depth. Adding Lundell gets them a long term C that fits with the timeline of Laf/Kakko/Krav.

Lindgren-Fox
Miller - Trouba
Ekholm - Lundkvist
Smith

Ekholm to me is a guy the rangers should really hone in on. Great defensively, has been through playoff battles, takes the pressure off the top guys and is the perfect partner for Lundkvist. Smith comes back as the 7th D and a guy who can play regularly in case of injury.

Igor
Georgiev
Kinkaid

Self explanatory. If they need the cap space for an additional move, Georgiev can be dumped fairly easily.

Not sure how realistic it is, but i think the value on the trades is pretty close.

Like almost all. Don’t think the Wild accept that return and I am not a fan of the Nashville deal.

 

[apoptygma]

He means with. There was a Finnish contingent within the Waffen SS Nord - Wiking Division seeded with vets from the 1940 Winter War. It was actually sponsored by the Finnish govt. They were later found by their own government of committing atrocities in Ukraine.

Nah, much more likely to have fought in the winter war and/or continuation war. There was a SS-division fighting on the Arctic Front during WW2 assisting the finish army. Compared to the rest of the war it was much more "civilized". The whole continuation war was much more constrained then the rest of Barbarossa. The finish army advanced to the borders from before the winter war and refused to go further even if Germany wanted them to attack and cut the railroad from Murmansk. And Stalin also cut Finland much more slack when it did come to peace terms then rest of the pro-Germany block further south.

 

[RGY]

not sure how you made Kreider magically evaporate. Or magically acquired so many players. You're probably underestimating how much Goodrow and Coleman would cost on the market too if you are coming up with so much cap space available. Goodrow will get close to $3M. Coleman will get at least $3M (using Cal Clutterbuck's $3.5M hit as a comparable for both)

Magically evaporate? Kreider is right there. I am also not going to list out every single trade. I gave a generalization of who was traded in those deals. Used 1st and 2nd round picks, plus extra picks acquired in trading Buch and Strome.

As far as contracts go here is what I had, taking into account age, production this past season, likely demand:

Foligno: 3 years @ $4.50 AAV
Goodrow: 3 years @ $2.75 AAV
Coleman: 3 years @ $3.00 AAV
Oleksiak: 3 years @ $2.750 AAV
Igor (EXT): 5 years @ $5.00 AAV — maybe the AAV is off by $500k and maybe the term is off by a year.

Buyout of DeAngelo. Blackwell as the 13th forward. Yes it all fits. Maybe Foligno gets more but he has been averaging 35-40 points now over the last 3 seasons and is 33 years old. If he wants more we walk away. But again it all fits.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Nah, much more likely to have fought in the winter war and/or continuation war. There was a SS-division fighting on the Arctic Front during WW2 assisting the finish army. Compared to the rest of the war it was much more "civilized". The whole continuation war was much more constrained then the rest of Barbarossa. The finish army advanced to the borders from before the winter war and refused to go further even if Germany wanted them to attack and cut the railroad from Murmansk. And Stalin also cut Finland much more slack when it did come to peace terms then rest of the pro-Germany block further south.

Is that what you tell yourselves? Yeah it was SS but benign SS up north where nothing was going on.

 

[apoptygma]

Is that what you tell yourselves? Yeah it was SS but benign SS up north where nothing was going on.

It is like assuming all U.S. forces in Vietnam operated like Tiger Force. This is getting so off-topic so I will leave it there.

Back on topic the NYR rebuild have been amazing so far, but are lacking in "good" bottom 6 players. Thankfully those are almost always availabe is UFA. Hard part is to get the good ones like Grabner and not the bad ones like Glass.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It is like assuming all U.S. forces in Vietnam operated like Tiger Force. This is getting so off-topic so I will leave it there.

Back on topic the NYR rebuild have been amazing so far, but are lacking in "good" bottom 6 players. Thankfully those are almost always availabe is UFA. Hard part is to get the good ones like Grabner and not the bad ones like Glass.

That’s not a good analogy, no one said anything about Finnish forces helping the Nazis but rather Finnish involvement in the SS. It happened and they were accused of atrocities in Ukraine because they were put on civilian execution duties. The Finnish govt conceded as much. Get used to the truth, it will set you free.

PS I’m also excited about the rebuild

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I like reading other team's boards to further my knowledge on the league, but now I'm getting a history lesson as well, two for one.

 

[Ola]

Acquiring Tkachuk requires one of Lafreniere or Kreider to move to RW, because Panarin won't be moved there. Don't think it would be the best use of Kreider's skillset to have him play RW, so I suppose that leaves Lafreniere, do we really want to move him off his natural wing? I think finding a natural RW, preferably a RH shot would be a better use of time honestly, even though I love Tkachuk.

One thing I was looking at but never got a real answer on was if Drury really was a center the entire time in college? He probably was, but he was never really that player that just oozed natural center. Always felt that he was a bit uncomfortable heading up ice with the puck, which centers do a ton of.

I just think that there is bound to be a number of good hockey minds out there that will go ‘you win cups with a strong center lineup, Laf isn’t a center but he got all the tools, let’s move him there’. Not saying that it’s correct, albeit I would prefer it, but it’s something to watch.

 

[Trxjw]

I like reading other team's boards to further my knowledge on the league, but now I'm getting a history lesson as well, two for one.

These lessons aren't free, unfortunately. Just cost you Zegras for Buchnevich.

 

[Vitto79]

Francis drafted Gauthier ? crap he’s Seattle’s pick if not protected . Take Howden !

 

[rangers1314]

Friedman on NYR today on 31T:
- Want a guy with experience, which we know.
- NYR doing a lot of research on Gallant since they don't "know" him. Says hes a legit contender.
- Says despite Dolan "loving" torts, he isn't the favorite.
- NYR will be very interested in Rod, but still thinks its unlikely he becomes free.
- Says the losses to the Islanders drove Dolan to boot JD/JG

 

[rangers1314]

Friedman on NYR today on 31T:
- Want a guy with experience, which we know.
- NYR doing a lot of research on Gallant since they don't "know" him. Says hes a legit contender.
- Says despite Dolan "loving" torts, he isn't the favorite.
- NYR will be very interested in Rod, but still thinks its unlikely he becomes free.

He also takes a nice backhanded shot at Dolan by saying he thinks the flyers are approaching things correctly by saying "how much can we really put into this season given the circumstances?"

 

[NYSPORTS]

Is Florida actually open to trading Lundell? Teams generally don’t trade high-end center prospects unless a team really overpays, right?

doubt it. He’s more of an obsession for a handful of posters.

 

[GAGLine]

He also takes a nice backhanded shot at Dolan by saying he thinks the flyers are approaching things correctly by saying "how much can we really put into this season given the circumstances?"

Yeah, but they had their own "things aren't progressing quickly enough" moment when they fired Hextall. And look where they are now.

 

[rangers1314]

doubt it. He’s more of an obsession for a handful of posters.

Him and Newhook.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He also takes a nice backhanded shot at Dolan by saying he thinks the flyers are approaching things correctly by saying "how much can we really put into this season given the circumstances?"

That’s an interesting interpretation of those words.

 

[rangers1314]

That’s an interesting interpretation of those words.

It came right on the heels of talking about the Rangers.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Him and Newhook.

And Zary, Holloway, Glass, Zegras - teams won’t part with a young ELC high ceiling center without a ridiculous offer

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It came right on the heels of talking about the Rangers.

It was also in reference to the down years by a few of the Flyers' players who had great years last year.

 

[JimmyG89]

He also takes a nice backhanded shot at Dolan by saying he thinks the flyers are approaching things correctly by saying "how much can we really put into this season given the circumstances?"

I'm so glad the Flyers are incompetent. No, the Flyers underachieved because of all the extenuating circumstances, not the fact that they are going into their 4th camp with AV and saw exactly how the Rangers went from contender to rebuild under him. Has nothing to do with the coaches.

They are fully indoctrinated to AVs system and it's going to take years to get past that. Not to mention their #1 goalie looks like he was ruined this year.

 

[rangers1314]

It was also in reference to the down years by a few of the Flyers' players who had great years last year.

Right, on the question of "how much stock do we put into this season when it comes to gauging the true state of our team?". The flyers have publicly stated that they think COVID played a major factor in some guys having down years.

The Rangers, on the other hand, decided to blow up their entire organization based off those results. A decision seen around the league as insane.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I really don’t see how Kreider to RW is a thing people are still considering. Carp had a long take on it as well. It doesn’t work.

Any shooting advantage gained is negated by him having to catch passes in transition on his backhand / with his body turned.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Right, on the question of "how much stock do we put into this season when it comes to gauging the true state of our team?". The flyers have publicly stated that they think COVID played a major factor in some guys having down years.

The Rangers, on the other hand, decided to blow up their entire organization based off those results. A decision seen around the league as insane.

You’re reallly attaching your own feelings to this.

the reference to the flyers was attached to individual players. The ranger decision was really made due to how the entire group performed when the chips were down. I don’t even agree with JG and JD being fired, but your interpretation is a massive stretch that’s being influenced by your own bias.

where’s the proof that every one thinks it’s insane?

 

[rangers1314]

You’re reallly attaching your own feelings to this.

the reference to the flyers was attached to individual players. The ranger decision was really made due to how the entire group performed when the chips were down. I don’t even agree with JG and JD being fired, but your interpretation is a massive stretch that’s being influenced by your own bias.

where’s the proof that every one thinks it’s insane?

I think it was pretty widely reported after the moves were made that no one around the league could understand them and chalked it up to Dolan simply being impulsive.