Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[Lindberg Cheese]

Nah I’m good. Come talk to me when your an actual doctor.

No jelly for you for your next prostrate exam

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I agree. My neighbor when I was young, and close friend despite being close to 70 (he didn't have any kids of his own and always let me ride in his tractor when he was cleaning the streets from snow during the winter) broke his leg when I was maybe 8-9, it wasn't pretty, they were moving an excavator from one truck to another and a chain broke and he was caught under it, but he just said 'I ain't going to a doctor, if you go into a hospital you will never get out, there will be no more discussions about it'. His wife of course got worried and some family members tried to talk sense to him, but it went as far as him brining the shot-gun next to him on the sofa to show that he meant business, and he was the type who would have used it no doubt, volunteer in Finland during the war who went on and fought with the SS and had a temper like nothing I've ever seen. 4-5 weeks later he died. He and his wife only ate potatoes, eggs, hard bread and fish (perch/whitefish/burbot). Today that is some diet, but did it help him from surgery? It is still a touchy subject for me, if you need to see a doctor, go and see a doctor.

This is the kind of content you just can’t get anywhere else.

 

[RGY]

I think Larkin would cost way too much to be on the third line

You are probably right. But he would be insurance to Zibanejad needing to be traded or walking, plus he is talented for Kravtsov to have a legit center to play with.

I crunched a lot of the numbers, dishing out salaries that seemed reasonable, trading Buch/Strome/Chytil/Jones/Gauthier, buying out DeAngelo; I have a lineup that shakes out with $4.250 million in cap space for next season:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kreider
Panarin-Lindholm-Kakko
Foligno-Larkin-Kravtsov
Barron-Goodrow-Coleman

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundkvist


Of course its the 2022 offseason that would be tricky with Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Georgiev and Zibanejad all needing new deals. Georgiev would absolutely be a goner to save money. Fox could cost quite a bit. Kakko too. Kravtsov I see as a smaller bump. You would essentially have to walk away from Zibanejad, bump Larkin up to 1C and find a cheaper 3C / 4C.

 

[McRanger92]

Trying my hand at a trade filled mock offseason that makes the team tougher to play against but doesnt sacrifice the youth or financial flexibility going forward:

Gallant hired as HC

J. Gauthier selected by SEA

P. Buchnevich + B. Howden to FLA for A. Lundell + FLA 2nd
R. Strome + L. Hajek to MIN for M. Foligno + MIN 3rd
F. Chytil + NYR 1st to ARZ for C. Dvorak (people will hate this one)
Z. Jones + FLA 2nd to NSH for M. Ekholm
NYR 4th to LV for R. Reaves

E. Haula signed for 1 year/4 mil

I. Shesterkin signs for 5 years/5.5 mil per
B. Smith rs-signs for 2 years/1.5 mil per

By my math these moves leave them with ~3 mil left to play with. Plenty of space to make a move at the deadline if they so choose.

Opening Night Lineup

A. Panarin - M. Zibanejad - V. Kravtsov
A. Lafreniere - C. Dvorak - K. Kakko
C. Kreider - A. Lundell - M. Foligno
M. Barron - E. Haula - R. Reaves
K. Rooney/C. Blackwell

Obviously sacrificing some skill to remake the center position and toughen up the bottom 6. Dvorak & Haula are both comfortably over 50% on FOs the last few years. Reaves would really only get in the lineup against the heavy teams in the East (BOS/WSH/NYI) but Rooney & Blackwell would be great depth. Adding Lundell gets them a long term C that fits with the timeline of Laf/Kakko/Krav.

Lindgren-Fox
Miller - Trouba
Ekholm - Lundkvist
Smith

Ekholm to me is a guy the rangers should really hone in on. Great defensively, has been through playoff battles, takes the pressure off the top guys and is the perfect partner for Lundkvist. Smith comes back as the 7th D and a guy who can play regularly in case of injury.

Igor
Georgiev
Kinkaid

Self explanatory. If they need the cap space for an additional move, Georgiev can be dumped fairly easily.

Not sure how realistic it is, but i think the value on the trades is pretty close.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

You are probably right. But he would be insurance to Zibanejad needing to be traded or walking, plus he is talented for Kravtsov to have a legit center to play with.

I crunched a lot of the numbers, dishing out salaries that seemed reasonable, trading Buch/Strome/Chytil/Jones/Gauthier, buying out DeAngelo; I have a lineup that shakes out with $4.250 million in cap space for next season:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kreider
Panarin-Lindholm-Kakko
Foligno-Larkin-Kravtsov
Barron-Goodrow-Coleman

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundkvist


Of course its the 2022 offseason that would be tricky with Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Georgiev and Zibanejad all needing new deals. Georgiev would absolutely be a goner to save money. Fox could cost quite a bit. Kakko too. Kravtsov I see as a smaller bump. You would essentially have to walk away from Zibanejad, bump Larkin up to 1C and find a cheaper 3C / 4C.

That really is a good looking lineup.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This is the kind of content you just can’t get anywhere else.

Lol, long sleigh rides in the forest and hot chocolate with my kindly SS neighbor.

 

[bbny]

I wouldn't mind at all replacing Buch with Tkachuk but it comes down to how do we upgrade the 2C part? We would be paying 11M to Panarin, 7M or more to Tkachuck as wingers, while still having Lafraniere and Kreider. He is the perfect kind of player I agree, but as much as we need that kind of player I dont think it needs to be in the top 6 as much as we need a center who is better than Strome.

Perhaps the Rangers should embrace their depth at wing for the next couple of seasons. Bring in experienced and grizzled vet Cs on short term deals via UFA or trade. Add experience at the position and make sure they can actually win a faceoff. Rely more on the wings to drive play.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Will Carrier and Alex Tuch to NYR for Buchnevich, Howden, Hajek (throw in)??

UFA before the 24-25 season starts?

he'd be a cheap option

Tuch brothers to NYR??

Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Luke Tuch to NYR for Lundkvist and Strome?

 

[McRanger92]

Will Carrier and Alex Tuch to NYR for Buchnevich, Howden, Hajek (throw in)??

UFA before the 24-25 season starts?

he'd be a cheap option

Tuch brothers to NYR??

Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Luke Tuch to NYR for Lundkvist and Strome?

would love to add Tuch to give the top 6 a different look but thats probably a futures trade for Vegas. They need cap space

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

since others are doing it I took a fantasy GM shot as well LOL.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Tkachuk
Lafraniere-Hertl-Kreider
Goodrow-Haula-Kravtsov
X-Rooney-Blackwell.

Ekholm-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Lundkvist.
Bietto

I took a shot at what I think could be value in trades but the Tkachuk one might be short?..

Hertl for 2021 1st, Jones and Pajuniemi (Hertl is a pending UFA so thats about the price, a 1st, good prospect + a lesser)
Tkachuk for Kakko, Chytil and Georgiev
Buchnevich for Ekholm

I still have about 10M in cap space to tweak 4th lines or even defense, plus I have money to roll over for Zibanejad/Fox/Tkachuk for 2022.

Skill, size, upgraded the defense, got a center better than Strome and more importantly kept most of the guys I want to keep besides Kakko.

 

[egelband]

Gotta tell you reading more about Eichel’s neck injury we’d be nuts to trade for this kid. This is a serious serious injury that surgery doesn’t guarantee will get him back to 100%.

Even if Buffalo said hey a first round pick is all we want I still think we’d be nuts taking a 10 mil cap hit for a guy who we don’t know will ever be the same and it’s not just the neck

he was battling thru a core injury as well. A high ankle sprain a broken rib. I mean he’s beat up

Gotta figure Drury isn’t making Drury his first swing. That’s a mighty cut and risky as heck.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Trying my hand at a trade filled mock offseason that makes the team tougher to play against but doesnt sacrifice the youth or financial flexibility going forward:

Gallant hired as HC

J. Gauthier selected by SEA

P. Buchnevich + B. Howden to FLA for A. Lundell + FLA 2nd
R. Strome + L. Hajek to MIN for M. Foligno + MIN 3rd
F. Chytil + NYR 1st to ARZ for C. Dvorak (people will hate this one)
Z. Jones + FLA 2nd to NSH for M. Ekholm
NYR 4th to LV for R. Reaves

E. Haula signed for 1 year/4 mil

I. Shesterkin signs for 5 years/5.5 mil per
B. Smith rs-signs for 2 years/1.5 mil per

By my math these moves leave them with ~3 mil left to play with. Plenty of space to make a move at the deadline if they so choose.

Opening Night Lineup

A. Panarin - M. Zibanejad - V. Kravtsov
A. Lafreniere - C. Dvorak - K. Kakko
C. Kreider - A. Lundell - M. Foligno
M. Barron - E. Haula - R. Reaves
K. Rooney/C. Blackwell

Obviously sacrificing some skill to remake the center position and toughen up the bottom 6. Dvorak & Haula are both comfortably over 50% on FOs the last few years. Reaves would really only get in the lineup against the heavy teams in the East (BOS/WSH/NYI) but Rooney & Blackwell would be great depth. Adding Lundell gets them a long term C that fits with the timeline of Laf/Kakko/Krav.

Lindgren-Fox
Miller - Trouba
Ekholm - Lundkvist
Smith

Ekholm to me is a guy the rangers should really hone in on. Great defensively, has been through playoff battles, takes the pressure off the top guys and is the perfect partner for Lundkvist. Smith comes back as the 7th D and a guy who can play regularly in case of injury.

Igor
Georgiev
Kinkaid

Self explanatory. If they need the cap space for an additional move, Georgiev can be dumped fairly easily.

Not sure how realistic it is, but i think the value on the trades is pretty close.

You basically just climbed on top of the Gotham police department and flicked on the bern signal.

 

[Ori]

Why is wedding Brendan Smith even a thing now in 2021? We need to move contracts this summer.

Bern signal lol @Harbour Dog do he even post here, because he seldom did after all the years.
He was usually spotted on the trade forum with some genius trade proposals!

 

[McRanger92]

You basically just climbed on top of the Gotham police department and flicked on the bern signal.

Thats exactly what i was thinking as i was typing it out

 

[Rempe73]

Is Florida actually open to trading Lundell? Teams generally don’t trade high-end center prospects unless a team really overpays, right?

 

[Rempe73]

Also, quick question. Has there ever been a post here during the offseason where the poster nails almost exactly what the Rangers decide to do, regarding trades and free agency? Or at least 50%?

 

[Ori]

Is Florida actually open to trading Lundell? Teams generally don’t trade high-end center prospects unless a team really overpays, right?

It sounds a bit strange consider his young age so maybe just a rumor. Who will overpay for him and is the player worth the overpayment cost?

Anton Lundell Stats and News (1st rnd 12th overall)

 

[Tob]

We would not have made the playoffs in 3 out of the 4 divisions this year. Montreal in the North had 59 points and made it and we had 60 with RW tie breaker. So that's not an excuse for this season, for history's sake.

 

[bbny]

since others are doing it I took a fantasy GM shot as well LOL.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Tkachuk
Lafraniere-Hertl-Kreider
Goodrow-Haula-Kravtsov
X-Rooney-Blackwell.

Ekholm-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Lundkvist.
Bietto

I took a shot at what I think could be value in trades but the Tkachuk one might be short?..

Hertl for 2021 1st, Jones and Pajuniemi (Hertl is a pending UFA so thats about the price, a 1st, good prospect + a lesser)
Tkachuk for Kakko, Chytil and Georgiev
Buchnevich for Ekholm

I still have about 10M in cap space to tweak 4th lines or even defense, plus I have money to roll over for Zibanejad/Fox/Tkachuk for 2022.

Skill, size, upgraded the defense, got a center better than Strome and more importantly kept most of the guys I want to keep besides Kakko.

If we got Tkachuk, I think I'd still wait one more year before trading either Kakko or Kravtsov. It might be a little more clear in another year who they should keep and who they should trade in this situation. They cannot afford to be wrong about it.

I think Buchnevich is worth more than Ekholm by a pretty good margin. I like the thought of getting Ekholm for next season, and I think Nashville would certainly be on board with getting Buchy, but there would need to be a significant addition from their side IMO.

 

[Ori]

 

[CLW]

This SS guy story is really heart warming, Did he ever tell you how many civilians he executed in the Ukraine?

I think "fought with" means "fought against". Or maybe I just hope that's what he means.

Some of the most fierce fighters in the Finnish wars against the Soviet Union (The Winter War 1939-40 & the Continuation War 1941-44) joined the Waffen-SS division Wiking to keep fighting against the Red Army after the Finnish defeat 1944.

This actually has a direct bearing on US (military) history also. A Finnish WWII veteran (also Waffen-SS veteran), Lauri Törni/Larry Thorne, became a "founding father" of sorts for the US Green Berets and a decorated (DFC) US military hero. Törni was a specialist on operations behind enemy lines and trained US Green Berets in guerilla warfare and skiing operations. John Wayne even played a character based on him in the movie "The Green Berets".

Lauri Törni - Wikipedia

 

[n8]

You are probably right. But he would be insurance to Zibanejad needing to be traded or walking, plus he is talented for Kravtsov to have a legit center to play with.

I crunched a lot of the numbers, dishing out salaries that seemed reasonable, trading Buch/Strome/Chytil/Jones/Gauthier, buying out DeAngelo; I have a lineup that shakes out with $4.250 million in cap space for next season:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kreider
Panarin-Lindholm-Kakko
Foligno-Larkin-Kravtsov
Barron-Goodrow-Coleman

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundkvist


Of course its the 2022 offseason that would be tricky with Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Georgiev and Zibanejad all needing new deals. Georgiev would absolutely be a goner to save money. Fox could cost quite a bit. Kakko too. Kravtsov I see as a smaller bump. You would essentially have to walk away from Zibanejad, bump Larkin up to 1C and find a cheaper 3C / 4C.

not sure how you made Kreider magically evaporate. Or magically acquired so many players. You're probably underestimating how much Goodrow and Coleman would cost on the market too if you are coming up with so much cap space available. Goodrow will get close to $3M. Coleman will get at least $3M (using Cal Clutterbuck's $3.5M hit as a comparable for both)

 

[n8]

since others are doing it I took a fantasy GM shot as well LOL.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Tkachuk
Lafraniere-Hertl-Kreider
Goodrow-Haula-Kravtsov
X-Rooney-Blackwell.

Ekholm-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Lundkvist.
Bietto

I took a shot at what I think could be value in trades but the Tkachuk one might be short?..

Hertl for 2021 1st, Jones and Pajuniemi (Hertl is a pending UFA so thats about the price, a 1st, good prospect + a lesser)
Tkachuk for Kakko, Chytil and Georgiev
Buchnevich for Ekholm

I still have about 10M in cap space to tweak 4th lines or even defense, plus I have money to roll over for Zibanejad/Fox/Tkachuk for 2022.

Skill, size, upgraded the defense, got a center better than Strome and more importantly kept most of the guys I want to keep besides Kakko.

all these LW playing RW is making the lineup look like

Barron-Rooney-Blackwell
As you didn't seem to have traded him, you are definitely forgetting Barron here.

 

[Rempe73]

It sounds a bit strange consider his young age so maybe just a rumor. Who will overpay for him and is the player worth the overpayment cost?

Anton Lundell Stats and News (1st rnd 12th overall)

Admittedly I haven’t watched a ton of him, and I do like him a lot, but I don’t think he’s someone you overpay for. Unless I missed something in his development over the past few years, I don’t know if he’ll ever be a 1C. And Florida will probably demand assets that a 1C prospect gets. I would definitely pay market value for him though, and maybe even a bit above market value.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Acquiring Tkachuk requires one of Lafreniere or Kreider to move to RW, because Panarin won't be moved there. Don't think it would be the best use of Kreider's skillset to have him play RW, so I suppose that leaves Lafreniere, do we really want to move him off his natural wing? I think finding a natural RW, preferably a RH shot would be a better use of time honestly, even though I love Tkachuk.