Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20 Part XXV

[Oscar Lindberg]

I do not like Lindgren being on the top pair

They need to play to the kids strength's and top pair minutes ain't it

 

[Avery16]

Would suck to have him hurt just before this stretch. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

Would hurt his trade value

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Brutal for the Sharks with Hertl

Ottawa getting a break it looks like

 

[bobbop]

I do not like Lindgren being on the top pair

They need to play to the kids strength's and top pair minutes ain't it

I've been thinking for a while that this might happen. They already have spent some time together on penalty kills. Skeji is just not cutting it IMO.

 

[Avery16]

I do not like Lindgren being on the top pair

They need to play to the kids strength's and top pair minutes ain't it

It’s a few minutes into the first practice after break. Let’s chill out until the lineup is announced for the next game.

 

[cheech70]

Brutal for the Sharks with Hertl

Ottawa getting a break it looks like

Brutal Trade

 

[LORDE]

Brutal for the Sharks with Hertl

Ottawa getting a break it looks like

I can see it now... they get picks 1 & 2 and we fall to like 13-15

 

[duhmetreE]

I like it.

Lindgren and Trouba will be the matchup pair.

 

[rangers1314]

Listening to 31T - Elliot says that he was told by multiple players that "Kreider doesn't want to be traded", wonder if one of those players was CK himself.

Reiterates what he says in his column that if the rangers came in at 5 years/6.5-7 that "those players really wonder what he'd do,. He really likes being a Ranger".

Mentions the Blues as a team that would be interested in him.

 

[Thirty One]

If he really wants to be a Ranger, let's talk 4 year deal.

 

[Edge]

Listening to 31T - Elliot says that he was told by multiple players that "Kreider doesn't want to be traded", wonder if one of those players was CK himself.

Reiterates what he says in his column that if the rangers came in at 5 years/6.5-7 that "those players really wonder what he'd do,. He really likes being a Ranger".

Mentions the Blues as a team that makes a lot of sense.

I think if you can get to 5 years and $6.5 you have a spark of a chance from both sides. It's probably still on the high side for the Rangers, but I think it has a punchers chance because of the years. But I still think the key is salary more than term. If he's willing to make less annually, but stay longer, I like those odds even better when speculating on the Rangers interest.

 

[cheech70]

I think if you can get to 5 years and $6.5 you have a spark of a chance from both sides. It's probably still on the high side for the Rangers, but I think it has a punchers chance because of the years. But I still think the key is salary more than term. If he's willing to make less annually, but stay longer, I like those odds even better when speculating on the Rangers interest.

Lets not forget ...No NMC last 3 years also

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well, like I said, we've been trending this way over two seasons now, so it's been a steady path to get here. Over the last 82 games he's essentially just under a 60 point defenseman, right now he's just over. So it's not just projecting out a small sample size.

Yes, ADA is average in his own zone, but man does the offense more than make up for the defensive shortcomings.

But let's even say he slides, he's not sliding to a 30 point season. Dan Boyle hit 60 and 70 points on four different occassions, but that doesn't mean there weren't some seasons inbetween where he posted 40 or 50. So we have to have some wiggle room here for a defenseman.

And BTW, bridging him runs just as much risk as giving him the contract now. Because if he keeps producing like this, you are not signing him to his next deal for $5-$6 million. So either way it's a calculated risk.

The bridge gives you time to see if Keane or Lundqvist can replace his ice time for league minimum. What you laid out there is exactly the definition of a small sample size. We have a rookie dman, not playing on the pp1, only 10 points back of him, it's not if but when you have to look at which guy you keep, may as well do it now and get something back if he wants to be paid like a 60 point dman for one good season.

 

[Edge]

The bridge gives you time to see if Keane or Lundqvist can replace his ice time for league minimum.

I really like both those kids, but I gotta be honest --- I wouldn't take those odds.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I really like both those kids, but I gotta be honest --- I wouldn't take those odds.

The odds of what? That Fox can replace DeAngelo and either Keane or Lundqvist can fill in the 3rd pair? I have no problem saying all of that can happen.

 

[NYR Viper]

Again, if the team isn’t going to make significant noise in the playoffs the prudent and smart long term move is to trade the free agents. Circle back in the offseason if they’re interested.

 

[Edge]

Lets not forget ...No NMC last 3 years also

Gut still tells me its a long shot, but I could see scenario where they figure the annual price just keeps becoming more and more reasonable as he gets older, and less of a burden.

I think they can accept an older Kreider at a readonable price, perhaps more than they can a prime Kreider at a higher price.

The latter maintains flexibility and rewards Kreider for his willingness to give them that flexibility. But again, that's me speculating and I don't fully know how they might feel about something like that.

 

[Leetch3]

Listening to 31T - Elliot says that he was told by multiple players that "Kreider doesn't want to be traded", wonder if one of those players was CK himself.

Reiterates what he says in his column that if the rangers came in at 5 years/6.5-7 that "those players really wonder what he'd do,. He really likes being a Ranger".

Mentions the Blues as a team that would be interested in him.

is that podcast on spotify?

 

[Thirty One]

is that podcast on spotify?

No. It's my one non-spotify podcast.

 

[Edge]

The odds of what? That Fox can replace DeAngelo and either Keane or Lundqvist can fill in the 3rd pair? I have no problem saying all of that can happen.

Don't know if I like the odds that Fox can replace ADA.

Don't know if like the odds of a trio of Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist/Keane being better than a trio of Trouba, Fox and ADA.

Don't know if I like the odds of trading ADA for a LW being the better move than waiting patiently and packaging Lundkvist, picks and prospects for a player in a similar tier.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Don't know if Fox can replace ADA.

Don't know if a trio of Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist/Keane is better than a trio of Trouba, Fox and ADA.

Don't know if trading ADA for a LW doesn't get you darn close to the same player if you wait patiently and package Lundkvist, picks and prospects.

Fox in his rookie year is running at close to a 50 point pace, not playing on pp1. You dont feel those numbers would go up playing with Panarin and Zibanajad?
Lundqvist will never get the value ADA has if he doesnt play regularly in the NHL. Plus the savings of not signing ADA allows you to take on another player in a spot we have a need in. If you keep Trouba Fox and ADA then at some point you have 22 million +/-tied up in right side d. It wont work

 

[cheech70]

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Vince Z. Mercogliano
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Sounds like it’ll be Igor tomorrow and Hank on Saturday. Still need to confirm with Quinn, but that’s what Hank indicated. #NYR

 

[Mikos87]

San Jose has a 2nd in June. That will be a high 2nd. Wilson will be active at the deadline. He gets a 2nd round for Dillon. Maybe a 2nd for Melker Karlsson. He has flexibility to move his 2nd to the Rangers. That team is no position to rebuild with their contracts. Georgiev is better Martin Jones.

If there is a Kreider tax with Pittsburgh, there should be a Georgiev tax with Carolina.

Carolina has two #1 picks in June. The Leafs pick and their pick. One or both of those teams should make the playoffs. Both teams have 61 points. The Leafs are too good to miss the playoffs. They have their flaws. They are better than Columbus and Philly. Carolina will make it. The Rangers get the worst #1 pick of the two picks. The Leafs pick is top 10 protected this year. If both teams miss, the Rangers get the worst #1 in 2021. Georgiev can be the guy in Carolina for 5-6-7 years. They play in the Rangers division. Carolina has revolving door in goal. One journeyman after another. Georgiev can stabilize the position for them.

The problem with trading a competent goalie within the division is that you need to beat them to get into the playoffs. The tax has to be outrageously high for it to happen imo.

Teams don't give away 10-16 points within the division, and trading a goalie who can steal 5-8 games a year will do that. Put that goalie behind a good team, which is what Carolina has, then you are opening their window for them by stabilizing their position.

So I don't foresee a goalie trade within the division. SJ makes far more sense.

Combination of picks and players who can step in. The Rangers will need 4 NHL forwards, 1 on each line by the time July comes.

You get 1 top 6 caliber player, and a pick for Geo, then it's a deal worth making imo.

 

[Edge]

Fox in his rookie year is running at close to a 50 point pace, not playing on pp1. You dont feel those numbers would go up playing with Panarin and Zibanajad?

I don't know, but I do know that the difference you're talking about is not as close as you make it sound.

Fox is on pace for 10 goals and 46 points. ADA is on pace for 21 goals and 63 points.

That's double the amount of goals, and 37 percent more points --- because as your prorate out, the gap only increases. So a 10 point difference now is not necessarily a 10 point difference 30 games from now.

Additionally, I have ALWAYS been leery of assuming that numbers can only go up. I'm leery of that when facing a players sophomore season (as next year will be for Fox), and I'm leery of that as a constant and not a variable.

Yes, there are some players whose numbers go up. There are some players whose numbers go down. And there are quite a few players who come in with good numbers right off the bat, and more or less maintain those numbers for the next 10 years.

So yes, Fox could produce more. He could also produce less, especially next season. And he could quite possibly produce at roughly a 45-50 point, steady pace for the next decade. So in two of those scenarios, I'm getting less production than I am from ADA right now. And less production than I got from ADA to end last season.

So again, no, I don't like those odds.

And I still don't have a burning desire to make that decision now --- which is a key component for me.

Sure, we might have to make that decision someday, but that day doesn't need to be today. And that's why I don't see any point in going down that path.

 

[Mikos87]

IMO you re-sign DeAngelo. If he wants $8-$9M- then you move him, but if this is a player that costs ~$6M... that's a long term investment you make.

IMO the compromise, for both the player and the team is a 3 year deal around $5.5M-$6M. Keeps him motivated and going, and he has a chance to cash out as a UFA.