Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[Alluckks]

I don’t think laws are arbitrary. Murder isn’t wrong because it’s illegal, it’s illegal because it’s wrong. I think laws (should) reflect the morality that we wish to guide society by, it doesn’t really matter if murder is illegal in a society where people just murder everybody on the streets daily with no regard for life. I think a culture of tolerance, free speech, presumption of innocence are things that we should strive to uphold ourselves as individuals, not just through government.

We seem to have a philosophical difference here and that is fine, I don’t think this is the place for that argument and I can think of many reasons why somebody wouldn’t want to have Jake Virtanen (even that have nothing to do with this story). I’ve posted about his off ice issues last summer and how he didn’t grow up in the best area (Abby, right next to my hometown Surrey), we play hockey in the same roller league in Langley, so does his brother. We also have several mutual friends. I think he is immature because of being surrounded by his high school friends rather than friends he’s made through the NHL. So those old high school friends are obviously nowhere near where Jake is in life, so they sort of drag him down to their level. That’s why I thought a fresh start far away from home would force him to grow up. We talk about how big of a challenge it must’ve been for Kakko. I think moving out on your own to an entirely new city really forces someone to mature quick.

Anyway I don’t want any hard feelings man lol

It sounds more like he shouldn't be a NHLer then. Also, I'm well versed in criminal law, I'm good without the lesson. But public opinion is not a law. The NHL is not the government. Playing in a professional sports league is not a given right, it is a privilege. I'm not even saying that the accusations and everything else around him should keep him playing from any team, just that I don't want him on this specific team for plenty of reasons.

But yeah, probably best to just drop it, 98% of the time I just hit the ignore button on the other person in this scenario but I actually enjoy your posts most of the time and don't think you're trying to be a bad guy or something; I think we both know where each other stands on Jake. Cheers.

 

[brakeyawself]

Imagine you were the Detroit GM. How would you respond to an offer of Strome + for Larkin?

I mean seriously people

I have talked to a few Wings fans, whom, after the last 2 seasons, absolutely HATE Larkin. And personally, I can't figure out why aside from his lack of point production. But then, he has absolutely ZERO help. One of the worst top 9's in the league. Zadina and Mantha were probably his best wingers. And Zadina has proved very little and is clearly still a work in progress. And Mantha was stagnating, not coming close to the potential people see in him. Prior to being traded of course.

But a lot of Wings fans were dying to see the Wings get like Beniers or McTavish so they could replace Larkin, not play along with Larkin. And I think they are nuts. But just something I have noticed over the past few months.

I think Yzerman knows whats up at least. Having named Larkin captain. I doubt he sees things like many of the fans do. All though, would Miller + Strome be that bad of a deal? Maybe throw in like a 2nd round pick or something? Maybe it would. I don't know. But I would consider doing something like that from a Rangers standpoint. I doubt Yzerman in particular would accept though. Maybe Drury would accept though if he were the Wings GM instead of the Rangers.

And yea, I honestly think Miller is the guy we should be shopping. I think he has a high ceiling, but isn't necessarily going to reach it. So he's still high risk/reward. Meanwhile we have Jones, who is probably a better offensive D than Miller and Robertson, who is probably a better defensive D, with grit and toughness, than Miller. And I don't hate Miller, I just don't see him fitting our needs unless he really starts playing more physical and/or progresses a great deal offensively.

 

[wolfgaze]

Vince on his article today said that the plan was to pair Eichel with Zib long term. That acquiring Eichel just to then move Zib was never in the cards.

Did he mention the other part of the plan was to put the organization in cap hell?

 

[Alluckks]

Did he mention the other part of the plan was to put the organization in cap hell?

A healthy Eichel on this team paired with Zib down the middle makes us have a shot at being legit cup contenders. Teams that are up in that thin air often just make the cap work on a year to year basis, you can't really plan for cap space down the road.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I actually think everyone likes this move lol

Rangers FB hates it because he's not Canadian

 

[egelband]

A healthy Eichel on this team paired with Zib down the middle makes us have a shot at being legit cup contenders. Teams that are up in that thin air often just make the cap work on a year to year basis, you can't really plan for cap space down the road.

Yep. Get and pay the best guys and figure out the rest. It may cost a bit down the road but that’s another story. I’ve never seen a a team actually get disqualified for cap reasons. Just avoid bad contracts. Those can’t be moved.

 

[jay from jersey]

How about Kravtsov and Miller for Larkin?

Think you can only make a deal like that if your positive Lundkvist is making the switch to the left or Robertson is beating down the door. Miller has all the tools to be a really solid D for a long time

 

[brakeyawself]

Did he mention the other part of the plan was to put the organization in cap hell?

I am really starting to think that Ranger fans need to start a "NO Eichel NO way" movement. I'm actually shocked by how many think trading for Eichel, getting strapped with that contract and not even knowing if he will be healthy the rest of his career, is a, not good, but GREAT idea. Just a jaw dropping amount of fans.

He's the absolute last type of player this team needs. Not in play, not in style and certainly not in expense. The cap hit combined with the fact that he hasn't even made a playoff appearance in 6 years with the Sabres, combined with the unknowns and possible chronic nature of his injury, combined with the fact that he's only played more than 68 games twice in his career, are enough to make me run far away from this one.

Give me a tough, winning mentality center, who will make the team around him better, and push them to win, for like 4-5 mil less per year, and THAT is the perfect type of player we need. There's a number of players that would fit that mold. None of whom would cost nearly as much in trade compared to Eichel. And certainly none who would be near the cap hit that Eichel would be.

Eichel, is a good player to acquire, if your team lacks high end talent, has tons of future cap space and want's to take a big gamble. That's not the Rangers. Not by a mile. We won't even be able to afford re-signing Panarin in 2026 and people want to add Eichel's salary to that mix? No thanks, no way.

 

[brakeyawself]

Think you can only make a deal like that if your positive Lundkvist is making the switch to the left or Robertson is beating down the door. Miller has all the tools to be a really solid D for a long time

Don;t think you need to rely on Lundqvist moving to LD for that to work. People are underselling Jones' potential. Who probably has a higher offensive ceiling than Miller. And then Robertson would make a good 3rd pairing LD.

I would easily consider Miller + for Larkin. But I would not want to include Kravtsov or Chytil in that. That's the part that would have me saying no. Not so much the loss of Miller. Honestly, if you told me we could get Larkin right now, to a reasonable long term contract, for Miller and Othmann, I would probably do it.

 

[egelband]

Think you can only make a deal like that if your positive Lundkvist is making the switch to the left or Robertson is beating down the door. Miller has all the tools to be a really solid D for a long time

I would think that Kravtsov and one of Miller/Schneider/Nils is the minimum Detroit takes. It’s smart of Detroit to move Larkin at peak value and probably makes good sense for us, window-wise. But it’s going to hurt. No pain no gain.

 

[Ola]

For the record, I bashed her pretty hard over that. She's just as useless.

But why? These reporters will hear things that are true but then never materialized for whatever reason. Shouldn’t that be reported?

 

[Ola]

Who knows what they're doing in Seattle, not saying I would do this but I don't think it's impossible to put that Tampa line back together. Coleman contract, Strome+ to Seattle

I have defended Francis a lot, but the fact that Seattle has made no moves post the ED means that he is standing his ground on value. They have a 30 player roster and at least a handful of players won’t make that team. They must be able to identify a few of those players. The market for those guys won’t change the longer you wait. Should just auction them to the highest bidder.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nemeth is f***ing garbage

No, he's not. He's a serviceable 3rd pair D-man.

You're starting to sound like those troll accounts without a profile pic. Come back to the light side!

 

[pld459666]

Sign Danault or trade for Dvorak.

Pick your poison.

What are we trading to get Dvo?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sign Danault or trade for Dvorak.

Pick your poison.

If it's between these 2, I sign Danault.

 

[Circus86]

Any idea when we might here about about the extensions of Chytil/Shesty?

 

[Doctyl]

I don’t understand how you bitch and moan about the moves made this off-season and then advocate for signing a rapist with a whopping 5 points last year

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

 

[DekeR]

Danault is a defensive center, 3rd liner. Not worth the $ he is asking because of his limited offensive contributions and it would just add to a extremely tight cap in years 3 and 4. If we were a defensive team who lacks offensive ability than yeah, but adding a player that doesn't fit the makeup at such a high price makes no sense.
Zib/Strome/Chytil- I se no problem in maintaining.

 

[Blais to Win]

Where does another FA contract fit in 2022 and 2023? Or is all this discussion contingent on some variation of "just trading Kreider/Trouba"?

 

[RGY]

Vince made an interesting pitch for Landeskog to be the 2C.

Its not a terrible idea, but the AAV would have to be $7-$8 million range and that just won’t get it done.

I still like Blake Coleman if you can get him for 5x$4.5 but also likely wont get it done.

There are going to be plenty of bargain bin options. If some are willing to consider Brett Ritchie, then they should also consider Corey Perry on the cheap for the 4th line.

Vince’s article had pretty much every name we have been discussing.

 

[Doctyl]

Danault is a defensive center, 3rd liner. Not worth the $ he is asking because of his limited offensive contributions and it would just add to a extremely tight cap in years 3 and 4. If we were a defensive team who lacks offensive ability than yeah, but adding a player that doesn't fit the makeup at such a high price makes no sense.
Zib/Strome/Chytil- I se no problem in maintaining.

I would rather have “limited offensive contributions” at a more productive rate than Strome without being an absolute liability everywhere else on the ice. I’m also curious what you think happens next year when Strome demands to be paid like a 60-70 point player

 

[Doctyl]

Vince made an interesting pitch for Landeskog to be the 2C.

Its not a terrible idea, but the AAV would have to be $7-$8 million range and that just won’t get it done.

I still like Blake Coleman if you can get him for 5x$4.5 but also likely wont get it done.

There are going to be plenty of bargain bin options. If some are willing to consider Brett Ritchie, then they should also consider Corey Perry on the cheap for the 4th line.

Vince’s article had pretty much every name we have been discussing.

I think we have enough winger centers on this team already

 

[rangers1314]

Question - have either Schneider or Nils played any left side during their careers? Or have they strictly been right side?

 

[egelband]

Vince made an interesting pitch for Landeskog to be the 2C.

Its not a terrible idea, but the AAV would have to be $7-$8 million range and that just won’t get it done.

I still like Blake Coleman if you can get him for 5x$4.5 but also likely wont get it done.

There are going to be plenty of bargain bin options. If some are willing to consider Brett Ritchie, then they should also consider Corey Perry on the cheap for the 4th line.

Vince’s article had pretty much every name we have been discussing.

That’s a very good point and one that i forget/need reminding. There will be lots of good players shaking loose due to the flat cap. Maybe it’s time to just sit back and try to shed some cap. Trade Georgiev if possible. Maybe trade Strome. But no need to rush things. We’re in a good spot. Let the other GMs feel the heat.