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Imagine you were the Detroit GM. How would you respond to an offer of Strome + for Larkin?
I mean seriously people
Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII
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I mean seriously people
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Let’s bring in a 28 year old soon-to-be UFA who is a decent center offensively but atrocious defensively for the 24 year old two way center that’s the best player in our organization by a country mile. And let’s make up that difference with a 2nd round pick that has a 1/15 chance of becoming a legitimate NHLer and your 10th best prospect
Neither are likely available. Barkov, definitely not. Especially with the moves they have been making. That’s why DVO is a great target. They are currently cash poor, so they take contracts with high cap hits where most of the money has been paid to trade solid players that they still owe a lot of money and term to. As long as you attach so draft picks/cheap prospects
I prefer overpaying Danault to trading for Dvorak. Tough call but Danault is a much more rounded player than his playoff performance. And his playoff performance was pretty damn good.
Apropos of nothing…
I’m in Vegas tonight and I just saw a local commercial for water conservation featuring Ryan Reaves.
Cool.
I’m in Vegas tonight and I just saw a local commercial for water conservation featuring Ryan Reaves.
Cool.
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Tob
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Give Danault 6X6 and trade Strome for a 2nd+prospect or a low 1st if anyone would do that after we only got a 2nd and Blais for Buchnevich. We have time to continue to improve this roster next off season. Trying to do it all in 1 season is foolhardy. We have a better coach, a better defense coming, and all of our young players a year older. Drury has made a few changes at each position. More bottom 6 depth plus Danault's 200 ft game should get us more than halfway to what Drury wants on top of Goodrow. Get Gallant to instill more work ethic and challenge players to play tougher. Allow the players to thrive under a fair give and take players' coach and not a guy that will punish your dog for taking a 50/50 penalty. Move Georgiev for a 2nd or 2nd+ and keep Kincaid as the back up. Make the critical decision on which of Jones, Schneider, Miller, Lundkvist, Robertson to trade for longer term center depth success. Let Adams trade Eichel to the moon or wait until next off season and Eichel to suplex the Sabres with his NMC.
This reminds me of the way people on HF classify players. Even though there’s literally 93 (now 96) players technically playing on the 1st line in the NHL at any time, and another 93 playing on the 2nd line, posters here act like there’s about 50 “ACTUAL” 1st liners in the league, 50 2nd liners in the league, etc. 372 forwards and apparently 272 of them are bottom six.
You can be the 35th most productive player at your position and on HF you’ll be a “fringe top six” player. In fact, does anyone wanna guess where 45 points in 70 games ranked last year? 27th for all LW. 17th for all RW. 40th for all C. But to most posters that’s “third line production”. 52 point pace was good for 27th best LW, 17th best RW.
At HF people act like "real" 1st liners are about point per game. Second liners should be in 70 point territory. Third liners are 50+. Everyone else is a 4th liner… in reality, the 93rd most productive forward in the entire NHL (31 teams x 3 players on the 1st line) last year had .6 points per game. Basically an exactly 50 point pace. The year prior it was .65 points per game. The 186th forward in points per game (cut off for 2nd line)? .38 points per game. Last year it was .43. The truth is 50+ points is BONAFIDE top six material and, in reality, the low end of what a first liner looks like.
HF is the only place in the world you can hear “I don’t know if Zib is a #1 on a real contender; more like a great #2” while he’s like 3rd in goals per game in the league (he’s literally tied for 3rd in goals and 15th in points per game over the past two years combined) AND 10th among all centers in PK time, at the same time.
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I saw where the Bruins didn’t qualify Nick Ritchie.Living in the west, I only have limited views but what I’ve seen of him has been impressive. I’d certainly consider him as a fourth line banger.
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I mean when you lose a trade that badly it's hard to be anything but down on the direction of the team.
Feels like we completely burned an asset. I will never understand it.
Chalfdiggity3
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I think we are giving up way to much. Nils and a 2nd for Larkin. Then deal Strome to get a 2nd and a prospect.
Id love to get away with sending them Jones and our 1st this year since with the addition of Larkin i do believe he is literally like adding that 1st round pick to this lineup that is already an established 1st line center that is 24.
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This is an activist Instagram page that posts any and every DM accusation they get regardless of how unsubstantiated. I could DM them right now with whatever BS I wanted and they’d post it. Jake’s accuser has many holes in their story and got caught in a lie when she claimed she went to the police right after it happened, which police said was an utter fabrication. Posting this stuff is boderline slanderous and this is an inappropriate topic for this thread. Won’t lead to anything good.
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You're literally trying to act like a defense attorney here for Jake yet come back with saying that a story posted to the front page of other relevant hockey news sites has no place here and saying it is slanderous. It isn't inappropriate when we have people like you advocating to sign him. It is a complete mess with him. Also, hockey organization aren't the eyes of the law. We don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt here in order to decide he is all too much of a problem for our organization.
How about Thomas Drance reporting talks with Vancouver police ongoing and an investigation is still ongoing. How about the leaked private conversations from Jake's teammate Leipsic (a shit person in his own right) talking about how Virtanen and the people he associates himself with are the shit people.
The guy is a disaster, regardless of how much you want to weigh the credibility of the source of these newest comments through the classic internet investigator role.
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EdJovanovski
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The presumption of innocence is the bedrock of the enlightenment philosophy that created Western Civilization & modern democracies. It is the law because it is moral, it isn’t moral because it is the law. Things like free speech, tolerance, the presumption of innocence in the eyes of the law means nothing without a society that upholds these values. What good is the presumption of innocence if even if the law determines you innocent, society deprives you of the ability to put food on the table, smears your character and you deal with constant threats of violence?
This accuser has already been caught lying about going to the police when it happened. Should Patrick Kane & Evander Kane not have gotten signed again? I could DM that page right now and accuse you of something and they’d post it with zero evidence. Tabloids post bullshit too, doesn’t make it true.
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I'm just gonna laugh at this lol
We are not in a courtroom. This also is not upholding his rights against a government.
Whether or not a franchise should sign a guy who by all signs is terrible character concern and possibly should not hinge on a bystander speculating the outcome of criminal investigations via the internet. I was only posting just one more thing to go on the list of reasons to not sign this guys.
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To the added parts, there is a civil suit (for money) not a criminal suit.
And I don’t think Brendan Leipsic calling you a shit person means you are a rapist. Would this be a reasonable argument? Your honour, Brendan Leipsic called this guy a loser!
I know people involved with this, but anyway you can make your own judgement and I’ll make mine.
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Again, we are not in court, and someone calling you a piece of a shit while they are your teammate is something that a franchise should consider.
Also, a civil suit is absolutely not just about money.
smoneil
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If they signed Ritchie, I would imagine that would bump Blais down to the fourth line for sure. I'm still not sure how they are going to deploy the top 5 wingers (Laf/Bread/Krav/Kakko/Kreider). I think I'm at the point where I just need to stop trying to figure out what's going on with this team until they say "here's our roster for this year" because right now, I'm confused, haha.
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If I were to guess, Blais is already a 4th line winger for us(albeit a good one and one who could move up in an injury situation). I think that they signed Goodrow primarily to play wing, he fits really well with the type of off-wingers that Panarin has excelled with in his time here. Also, the latest Vince article outlined that the Rangers were pursuing Eichel to pair as a 1-2 punch with Zib, and that they would not have been trading for Eichel just to have to move on from Zib in the next step. I imagine that currently we are looking at:
Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Strome Goodrow
Kreider Chytil Kravstov
Barron Rooney Blais
But we could easily see Strome moved and a different player inserted there, or an audible where Strome is moved, Chytil goes up to 2nd line, and Goodrow is 3C, in which case then we would need another winger for the 3rd line.
Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Chytil Kravstov
Kreider Goodrow ____
Barron Rooney Blais
EdJovanovski
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I don’t think laws are arbitrary. Murder isn’t wrong because it’s illegal, it’s illegal because it’s wrong. I think laws (should) reflect the morality that we wish to guide society by, it doesn’t really matter if murder is illegal in a society where people just murder everybody on the streets daily with no regard for life. I think a culture of tolerance, free speech, presumption of innocence are things that we should strive to uphold ourselves as individuals, not just through government.
We seem to have a philosophical difference here and that is fine, I don’t think this is the place for that argument and I can think of many reasons why somebody wouldn’t want to have Jake Virtanen (even that have nothing to do with this story). I’ve posted about his off ice issues last summer and how he didn’t grow up in the best area (Abby, right next to my hometown Surrey), we play hockey in the same roller league in Langley, so does his brother. We also have several mutual friends. I think he is immature because of being surrounded by his high school friends rather than friends he’s made through the NHL. So those old high school friends are obviously nowhere near where Jake is in life, so they sort of drag him down to their level. That’s why I thought a fresh start far away from home would force him to grow up. We talk about how big of a challenge it must’ve been for Kakko. I think moving out on your own to an entirely new city really forces someone to mature quick.
Anyway I don’t want any hard feelings man lol
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