Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[mike14]

I’m surprised so many people are down on Nemeth. He’s exactly what they need, a stay at home guy who’s solid defensively. Offense will be covered by the RD in those pairings

I'm working on the theory that he can't really be worse than Smith and will be a lot cheaper

 

[JT Kreider]

I like Buch, and the trade was super-underwhelming, but just how much are teams really giving up for a guy who's a year away from wanting a big contract extension, has a limited (and terrible) playoff stat line, and whose best season (by far) is a shortened season with divisional play only where he spend the whole season on the top line?

Are you gambling major assets that last season is the new normal rather than the outlier (and that you'll have to pay for it at seasons end), or that he's a 45-55 pt player in the long-term?

I'd rather invest in a player like Buch than all the money we lit on fire paying a player based on his past accomplishments in UFA over the years.

Very strange where the Rangers sometimes draw the line on paying their own players.

 

[QJL]

Please give Gauthier a chance in the top six. A legit chance. 10-12 games at least. I think he can be effective.

To me, he seems more motivated by getting to the net or to scoring spots than he is to chasing down the puck.just my opinion.

Who are you removing from the top 6? Lafreniere, Panarin, Kakko, or Kravtsov? Or Kreider? Gauthier needs to become a different type of player if he wants to stick. He has the size and speed to become a Kreider lite, but I’m not seeing the hockey sense.

 

[Hire Sather]

Because we've been Filthy spoiled with winning trades. This is the first truly fat L we've had in a very long time. The only others I can think of was the Eric Staal trade which ended up pretty irrelevant, the deadline deal with Tampa in 2014 which we don't make the Cup without and the McDonagh trade but there is still hope with Nils.

But our trade history since the lockout is littered with giant Ws. Avery, the Gomez trade, the Nash trade, the Gaborik trade, the Zibanejad trade, the Stepan trade, the Strome trade, the Nash trade, the Fox trade. So many massive Ws, and it just so happens when we hit, we hit BIG.

I mean if we make a trade and it turns out bad it is what it is

It's just been a long time since I've seen a team trade a player for seemingly so much lower than his market value. Like right off the bat we all know it's bad

I just can't fathom that he was shopped around the league and no better offers were given

 

[egelband]

Who are you removing from the top 6? Lafreniere, Panarin, Kakko, or Kravtsov? Or Kreider? Gauthier needs to become a different type of player if he wants to stick. He has the size and speed to become a Kreider lite, but I’m not seeing the hockey sense.

I’d play Kreider on the third line either way. And I’d give Gauthier a shot in the top six before Kravtsov I guess.

 

[Alluckks]

Friedman stated he believes Strome is traded, and even mentioned who the likely destinations were (Ottawa, Seattle, Vegas). I think we get futures for Strome.

Rangers could easily be on the radar for Danault

Vince on his article today said that the plan was to pair Eichel with Zib long term. That acquiring Eichel just to then move Zib was never in the cards.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who are you removing from the top 6? Lafreniere, Panarin, Kakko, or Kravtsov? Or Kreider? Gauthier needs to become a different type of player if he wants to stick. He has the size and speed to become a Kreider lite, but I’m not seeing the hockey sense.

He has all the tools to be an elite checker if he wants to be. If he intends on sticking in this league. That will have to be his calling card.

 

[Synergy27]

Ok I can see that point but I still don't think Strome for Gourde would fly for Seattle especially pending his contract and they need centers plural that said maybe Strome and Jones then??? Or expand the deal?

Never happen anyway lol I just need to construct something I'm so tired of this Eichel drama and I at least want to see or get an idea of what we will look like. And I don't want Lundy Kravy or Kakko going anywhere so I'd be thrilled with that type of scenario.

I have no idea what SEA would want for Gourde. There is zero chance in hell I’m including Chytil in the deal though.

 

[Alluckks]

Also, Rooney should be penciled in everyone's 4th line. The Rangers didn't protect him so that he could be 13th forward. They also didn't expose Gauthier so that he can play Top 9, if he even plays at all. Shipping out Gauthier makes the most sense for him to be honest.

 

[Alluckks]

I have no idea what SEA would want for Gourde. There is zero chance in hell I’m including Chytil in the deal though.

I'd give them Strome + Gauthier/Hajek.

 

[NYR Viper]

Danault makes a ton of sense right now. He’ll probably make sense for the next 3-4 years. It’s years 5-6-7 that are major concerns. I love that he wouldn’t require the team trading away assets to acquire him and I love that his points can be created without major PP time as this team is setting itself up to have some potent power plays.

I wouldn’t be angry if they traded Strome and backfilled with Danault. I also wouldn’t be ecstatic with it either.

 

[Payote75]

I have no idea what SEA would want for Gourde. There is zero chance in hell I’m including Chytil in the deal though.

If all that came to fruition chytll would need to go? What do you think you could get for him? We would seem to be a complete team at that point but maybe futures?

 

[Synergy27]

I'd give them Strome + Gauthier/Hajek.

So would I. I don’t see how SEA parts with Gourde though. He’s their best forward. Getting Strome in to play ahead of him would make a ton of sense for that team but there’s nothing else I’d really want in return other than next year’s first and I’m sure that’s not happening.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Danault makes a ton of sense right now. He’ll probably make sense for the next 3-4 years. It’s years 5-6-7 that are major concerns. I love that he wouldn’t require the team trading away assets to acquire him and I love that his points can be created without major PP time as this team is setting itself up to have some potent power plays.

I wouldn’t be angry if they traded Strome and backfilled with Danault. I also wouldn’t be ecstatic with it either.

I tend to agree. The real kicker is who do you trade Strome for?

But I also feel Strome has been undervalued around the league and it will be a similar return to Buch.

 

[Alluckks]

So would I. I don’t see how SEA parts with Gourde though. He’s their best forward. Getting Strome in to play ahead of him would make a ton of sense for that team but there’s nothing else I’d really want in return other than next year’s first and I’m sure that’s not happening.

I'm guessing that they were offering some of their LD for Strome, and that that wasn't enough, and we are now signing Nemeth for free instead.

 

[LokiDog]

I tend to agree. The real kicker is who do you trade Strome for?

But I also feel Strome has been undervalued around the league and it will be a similar return to Buch.

If I’m a betting man, I put $100 on Strome being moved for a pick and/or depth player/older prospect who hasn’t been able to break in yet. Possibly no roster piece, and Danault being signed and that being that.

 

[SA16]

I’m surprised so many people are down on Nemeth. He’s exactly what they need, a stay at home guy who’s solid defensively. Offense will be covered by the RD in those pairings

Its because people don’t actually watch the games here when they say they do. You think everyone is an expert on Nemeth? They saw him make a few bad plays in the playoffs so he’s declared to be bad. He’s a very good defensive defenseman. The stats have shown that over the last 3-4 years. You don’t just fluke your way into those kind of results.

Not to mention you can’t possibly remember the play of all these depth guys. I watch more games than anyone. I’ve seen tons of Colorado games over the last few years. I’ve seen Nemeth play in a lot of them. Do you seriously think from watching those games I could give a comprehensive scouting report on Nemeth and tell you how good/bad he is? Of course not. He’s one of hundreds of players that I see. He’s not someone like mackinnon/rantanen/Makar who will be extremely noticeable and standout when you watch the team play. The Colorado fans say he’s bad you say? That’s because they are biased after some poor playoff games this year. Plus most of his year was in Detroit where he was statistically excellent.

That’s why you have stats and scouts to write scouting reports on players. You can’t possibly keep track of everything just based off having watched several games.

 

[Alluckks]

I tend to agree. The real kicker is who do you trade Strome for?

But I also feel Strome has been undervalued around the league and it will be a similar return to Buch.

If we got the Dillon return (2022 2nd + 2023 2nd) for Strome from Ottawa/Seattle (2 of 3 rumored suitors for him) then I'd call that a good deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d take Tanev with a million retained + 2nd for Strome.

The team that makes the most sense has always been Vegas. I believe there were rumors they wanted to trade Holden. He’d be a real serviceable #7 d-man. Reaves makes sense in general and from a cap standpoint.

Reaves + Holden + LV 1st ‘22

for

Strome (Rangers retain $2m) + Hajek

 

[bobbop]

Friedman stated he believes Strome is traded, and even mentioned who the likely destinations were (Ottawa, Seattle, Vegas). I think we get futures for Strome.

Rangers could easily be on the radar for Danault

Vince on his article today said that the plan was to pair Eichel with Zib long term. That acquiring Eichel just to then move Zib was never in the cards.

Sign Danault or trade for Dvorak.

Pick your poison.

 

[smoneil]

If all that came to fruition chytll would need to go? What do you think you could get for him? We would seem to be a complete team at that point but maybe futures?

Of all of our kid forwards in the 20-21 age range (Chytil, Krav, Kakko, Laf), Chytil has actually accomplished the most and has shown that he is ready for a bigger role. He's also the only C in the group. I have no idea why so many people think that he's the expendable one in that quartet (none of them are, in my opinion). If they moved Strome for Gourde, the team would just run Zib/Chytil/Gourde/Rooney down the middle, with Goodrow on Gourde's right side.

That said, I'd rather go with a free option (like Danault) over spending assets on someone like Gourde or Dvorak unless the acquisition price was absurdly low.

 

[Synergy27]

Of all of our kid forwards in the 20-21 age range (Chytil, Krav, Kakko, Laf), Chytil has actually accomplished the most and has shown that he is ready for a bigger role. He's also the only C in the group. I have no idea why so many people think that he's the expendable one in that quartet (none of them are, in my opinion). If they moved Strome for Gourde, the team would just run Zib/Chytil/Gourde/Rooney down the middle, with Goodrow on Gourde's right side.

That said, I'd rather go with a free option (like Danault) over spending assets on someone like Gourde or Dvorak unless the acquisition price was absurdly low.

If we keep yelling about this I’m sure people will listen eventually.

 

[Synergy27]

If all that came to fruition chytll would need to go? What do you think you could get for him? We would seem to be a complete team at that point but maybe futures?

There is very little available that I’d be ok trading Chytil for. He’s off limits in an Eichel deal for me, for example.

If we got a Gourde or Danault, I’d have them playing on the third line behind Chytil. Chytil is the next Zibanejad and he’s already on the team.

 

[jay from jersey]

I’m not sure what we have with Kravtsov yet. He has shown flashes. Him and Kreider and someone might make for a great third line though.

Kravtsov kind of reminds me of Benoit Pouliot with better hands

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Danault would be an easy choice for me but the playoff production gives me a bit of pause. Makes Nash and Zucc look like Kucherov and point.