Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII
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Paulie Walnutz
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So then the question is who's sliding down to the third ? because you have 4 top 6 wingers - panarin,laf,kakko and kratsov.
egelband
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Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
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I’m not sure. It’s just odd that they traded for him at the deadline 2 seasons ago, re-sign him after the season’s over, and then trade him a year later.
egelband
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I’m not sure what we have with Kravtsov yet. He has shown flashes. Him and Kreider and someone might make for a great third line though.
bbny
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Meh I’m trying to win 2 cups inside the next 5.
In 6-7 years Fox is 30. Panarin is gone. I want the best window from 2023-2026 possible. This is the most talent we are EVER going to have on this roster. Honestly? If we don’t win a Cup in the next 5, we ain’t winning one in the following 5.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Pretty much the same value as we got for Buch.
Honestly might be the worst trade I've ever seen our team make.
I've been upset at a lot of free agent sightings but I've never been this disappointed in a trade
Honestly might be the worst trade I've ever seen our team make.
I've been upset at a lot of free agent sightings but I've never been this disappointed in a trade
LaffyTaffyNYR
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Agreed however we talking about players in there prime growing together with our little litter of young (hopefully) hockey stars. If we were signing 30 and above players I'd be more concerned. Zibby is the scary on although I do think his game ages well concussions would bey fear. But a Gourde and Danualt and even a Coleman is a nice mix with our youth.
Like the NFL you have to plan and figure your cap out accordingly.
If we want to win with Panarin these steps are necessary that said probably a pipe dream.
yes but Danault would make strome very expendable
smoneil
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If your Seattle how do you turn down a Strome and Chytll for Gourde maybe a pick? They drafted no offense really.
If you have Zib Danault and Gourde down the middle you don't need an Eichel type.
You just keep attacking swarming line after line. Let's add Coleman and do this!!!
We get to keep our assets they actually get to play and have a couple to move down the line if need be.
And we can tell buffalo to eff off!!!
Why would we offer that? Aside from one season (four years ago), Gourde's production rate is well below Strome's and about on par with Chytil. Why would we trade either of our guys for an older more expensive version? We can't re-build Tampa Bay in NYC. For starters, their checking line isn't going to be enough to do it, and the league isn't going to let us go well over the cap to make it happen.
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Change is good.
I’m not happy with the Buch return either, but I think Blais has more value than a 2nd in ‘23. And generally speaking, Dmen return more than forwards.
Also, I envy you for apparently not having lived through Ridley and Miller for the corpse of Carpenter.
Synergy27
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That would be an absurd price to pay for Gourde. The guy is a good player and a playoff performer but he’s still a complimentary piece. You’re giving up two top 6 Cs here, one of which is on the verge of exploding. Hard, hard pass.If your Seattle how do you turn down a Strome and Chytll for Gourde maybe a pick? They drafted no offense really.
If you have Zib Danault and Gourde down the middle you don't need an Eichel type.
You just keep attacking swarming line after line. Let's add Coleman and do this!!!
We get to keep our assets they actually get to play and have a couple to move down the line if need be.
And we can tell buffalo to eff off!!!
smoneil
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I'm lower on Dvorak, as I just don't see him turning into much more than he is (he's not a guy who hasn't had opportunity or anything. He's their 1C who gets PP time and has never broken 40 points). Danault is an interesting case. It's been a while since we've had a pure "distribution" style center. The only concern there is that we don't really have a lot of shoot first wingers. He'd be a great fit with Kreider and possibly Gauthier, but he's not really much of a threat to score goals. To me, it would limit the line options a bit (assuming Strome is moved) to something like
Laf/Zib/Kakko
Panarin/Chytil/Krav
Kreider/Danault/Gaut
Blais/Rooney/Goodrow
Hire Sather
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I only go back to 1997. I could be forgetting something along the way I'm sure
It's not about rebuilding Tampa here even though there was a point in time where Tampa were known as the rangers south etc. It's about adding winners with experience and mixing them in with skill and youth The players being added though aren't just checkers they have enough offensive skill and loads of defensive skill and motors they mesh with our young offensive skill plus they can mentor them how to play a well rounded game. They also allow some of our young horses to maybe roam free because they will pick up the defensive slack.
Having 4 lines is a huge key now a days and that's what we would have as well as our kids we drafted with the exception of chytll.
Oscar Lindberg
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Dan Rosen mentioned today that Drury took the best offer for Buch and there’s wasn’t any teams offering a first round pick. And that this was Drury trading Buchnevich at his peak value
I just don’t get how teams do player evaluation lol
JT Kreider
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Because we've been Filthy spoiled with winning trades. This is the first truly fat L we've had in a very long time. The only others I can think of was the Eric Staal trade which ended up pretty irrelevant, the deadline deal with Tampa in 2014 which we don't make the Cup without and the McDonagh trade but there is still hope with Nils.
But our trade history since the lockout is littered with giant Ws. Avery, the Gomez trade, the Nash trade, the Gaborik trade, the Zibanejad trade, the Stepan trade, the Strome trade, the Nash trade, the Fox trade. So many massive Ws, and it just so happens when we hit, we hit BIG.
Ok I can see that point but I still don't think Strome for Gourde would fly for Seattle especially pending his contract and they need centers plural that said maybe Strome and Jones then??? Or expand the deal?
Never happen anyway lol I just need to construct something I'm so tired of this Eichel drama and I at least want to see or get an idea of what we will look like. And I don't want Lundy Kravy or Kakko going anywhere so I'd be thrilled with that type of scenario.
Oscar Lindberg
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I’m surprised so many people are down on Nemeth. He’s exactly what they need, a stay at home guy who’s solid defensively. Offense will be covered by the RD in those pairings
E-Train
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The Buch deal is not even close to that debacle.
I like Buch, and the trade was super-underwhelming, but just how much are teams really giving up for a guy who's a year away from wanting a big contract extension, has a limited (and terrible) playoff stat line, and whose best season (by far) is a shortened season with divisional play only where he spend the whole season on the top line?
Are you gambling major assets that last season is the new normal rather than the outlier (and that you'll have to pay for it at seasons end), or that he's a 45-55 pt player in the long-term?
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