Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm high on Kravtsov but I am concerned over the lack of production and looking at other comps at his age who then exploded into 60 point or 70 point players. Not sure it's a long list.

Lack of production where? He's played 20 NHL games. I liked what I saw from him last year when he came over. I also remember more than a few times he set up some line mates with glorious chances and they didn't score. He's going to get his points.

 

[Gardner McKay]

True, I just think about what he'd look like with a Kak or Laf on his wing.

Goodrow had nearly equal numbers to Bennett over the same sample size. I think Bennett is what he is at this point. Maybe there is the odd season where he puts up 20 goals and 20 assists, but I think it will be a one and done deal.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

he had 20 pts in 50 games last year. For a third line player that equates to a 32 pt pace. That’s hardly a black hole of a player that gets no pp time

We'll see what he does this year but he's not going to get PP time again and if Kreider/Laf move to RW he won't play with anyone nearly as good as Coleman or Gourde. He doesn't have an impressive résumé offensively by any means. And there's more to offense than simply the amount of points you get, what he will create for himself and his teammates is my true question.

 

[Rongomania]

Lack of production where? He's played 20 NHL games. I liked what I saw from him last year when he came over. I also remember more than a few times he set up some line mates with glorious chances and they didn't score. He's going to get his points.

Krav was super refreshing for sure. Would love to see him develop chemistry with one of the hard nosed new guys we got. A tough SOB to open up space for him I think will do wonders for the kid.

 

[mas0764]

If this team doesn't make playoffs it is a huge disappointment given its make up.

Depends. Does Zibanejad stay healthy all year? Do we trade Strome? We are already short Buch.

They need to start moving forward otherwise we will be in the problem where the Leafs are, capped out, you need to win while the kids are on decent contracts otherwise youll forever be shipping players in and out.

We have a good runway for avoiding cap trouble, I'm not all that concerned about that. They need the requisite talent in the system. It's nearly impossible to find 1A/1B centers as we are now learning: we have a treasure trove of assets yet we can't find one unless we want to hand over Kakko or Lafreniere apparently.

That should tell you all you need to know. Acquiring the talent is way more difficult than getting playoff experience.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Right now I’m seeing our team as

Panarin-Strome-Lafraniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov
Bilas on the 4th line with some other players TBD

 

[jay from jersey]

This statement is so vague how can it be a fact?

Tell me how much size is needed. You can't.

It's a fact that other than the Lightning most Cup Winners have had more than one sub-6'1 defender soaking up big minutes. Try going back further than 2 years.



When did I say Schneider is a bad dman? He's an excellent prospect.

He's just not as good as Nils. I don't think he's as good offensively or defensively other than his ability not to get out muscled, but there's more to defending than that.

Schneider is a gem just like Robertson is, but we have so many that someone (or some TWO) is going to get squeezed out. I reject the notion that it's predetermined that for the best interest of the team it has to be Nils. No, it can just as easily be Schneider (or Trouba) if we want to get into an HONEST breakdown of what is needed.

Everyone falls back on these cliches like "well, size wins in the playoffs," but then they don't answer how Boston keeps advancing or how Pittsburgh won two cups or they don't bother to answer why having only 4 six foot plus Ds is not gonna work but having 5 is just right. The logic here is completely full of holes.

Solution: Stop writing in Schneider like it's a foregone conclusion. Or adopt some other outside the box thinking (maybe Trouba should be moved off the roster? Maybe someone should play the left side? etc).

I think everyone would love to move out Trouba and his contract and Give Lundkvist the top 4 minutes. The main problem is that his NMC is 3 seasons away, and Trouba if Traded wouldn’t bring back the prize center Nils would have. If Fox wasn’t here, lundkvist would probably be untouchable, but having Fox and trouba and Schneider not to far behind makes Lundkvist the prime asset to make us better in the middle

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Right now I’m seeing our team as

Panarin-Strome-Lafraniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov
Bilas on the 4th line with some other players TBD

If the 2 out of the 3 kids produce (not counting Chytil) that's a very solid lineup. Put Rooney and Baron/Gauthier on 4th line and call it a day.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Not sure if discussed earlier, Scott Wheeler had Rangers ranked 16th (in his "overtime losers," category for Day 1, and then ranked 29th (in his "losers," category) for Day 2.

Not good. I know everyone will be quick to dismiss post draft analysis but we all lapped it up when they had us ranked high and that turned out to be true. No guarantee that things work out bad from this draft but it's not a good sign.

I don't think our draft was THAT bad. Grubbe was the only pick I hated - thought there were better options on the board. it's the 3rd round, so those better options were still boom/bust but I prefer boom/bust to meh/bust with an exploded acl.

 

[mas0764]

Most, if not all, recent Cup winning teams have size on the back end. Whether its players like Hedman or fire hydrants like Orlov. Height is important. If you don't have height you need to be thicck, 200lbs+. You still need to be able to move the puck. It's not either or.

How much size do you need to have? Does every player need to be 6'1 or above just cause Tampa is that way? Why is four out of six not good enough?

BUT the teams that win have size and can move the puck. TBLx2, STL, WAS and PITx2 have had it. I don't know where this comes from that Pittsburgh didn't have size on defense.

.... because Pittsburgh ran out three guys who were under 6'2? Daley was 5'11, Letang 6'0, Cole 6'1? I'm just not seeing a ton of difference in that and Fox 5'11, Nils 6'0, Lindgren 6'0.

We aren't talking Tampa Bay levels of size and height.

Yes we need a couple big guys like Orlov or Hedman. We have Miller who is 6'5, we have Trouba who is 6'3. Robertson is 6'4, we are gonna be good in that department.

Keeping Schneider over Nils is not some necessity so that our D comports to modern Cup Winning standards. It already does that. We have plenty of size to win.

Having a second f***ing offensive dynamo like Nils also helps you win.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think everyone would love to move out Trouba and his contract and Give Lundkvist the top 4 minutes. The main problem is that his NMC is 3 seasons away, and Trouba if Traded wouldn’t bring back the prize center Nils would have. If Fox wasn’t here, lundkvist would probably be untouchable, but having Fox and trouba and Schneider not to far behind makes Lundkvist the prime asset to make us better in the middle

I have zero desire to move out trouba

 

[mas0764]

Lack of production where? He's played 20 NHL games. I liked what I saw from him last year when he came over. I also remember more than a few times he set up some line mates with glorious chances and they didn't score. He's going to get his points.

Hope you are right, I am just a bit overly cautious. Not trying to slam the kid. Worried that none of the kids have really exploded yet, I'm sure it will come.

 

[SRHRangers]

but is Bennett under market value or is Goodrow extremely overpaid? I think Bennett is fair. Goodrows contract is absurd.

I think Panarin was fair for being a UFA..

Even though, I think the Goodrow contract is gross, I did think the Bennett deal came in high.

Feels like they are really banking on the change of scenery.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Another note:

If the Rangers bring in a bottom pairing LHD and do nothing else in FA, Drury should be all about taking back a bad contract for a year and getting an asset back for it. It would be moronic to not use every single dollar of cap in this flat cap climate.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The rebuild is over unless we just miss the playoffs in a competitve east and somehow win the lottery.
If we are a bottom 6-8 team next year then we are in real trouble. Means guys like Kakko/Kravtsov/Chytil stuck in mud and not developing

If the right vet D is signed and a few other things break right I think they should make the playoffs, especially since it's back to a traditional format.

The real question is with a new coach, system, some player turnover and a culture change and pressure from the top - is the playoffs a goal or expectation?

It sure seems like it is from the top. As a fan Im not expecting it. I'm hopeful. More so than last season for sure.

I think Kakko and Fox in their 3rd years, Laffy with a true camp and a year under his belt, same for Miller and Kravstov - we should expect to see this team take a tick upwards. To me Chytil is a key guy. I'd also like to see Trouba take the reigns and be a consistent leader even though it would be silly to expect Jet numbers for him.

What I'd like to see are better starts to games, winning more 1-goal games instead of losing them and a greater compete level. A lot of odd things happened last season with injuries and the sort. We all know.

Hopefully it will be less "eventful" and there becomes a greater focus on competing. I think Gallant will guide them there, but it could take a little time. If they do that, they have the talent to get to the dance.

 

[Kovalev27]

So Buffalo apparently wants all futures full rebuild. The equivalent of 4 first round pick level prospects/picks

Minnesota cannot make a futures trade they need to send money back and have a bunch of holes to fill while also needing big money to sign fiala and Kaprizov

I don’t see where Buffalo is moving this kid too. He also still does need the surgery. It’s practically August. You’re lucky you see this guy at all next season.

I really really hope we stay far far away

 

[McRanger92]

that seems like quite a lot for Strome

I honestly dont know what Strome's value is. But Smith/JAM have both been on the block and Vegas needs more center depth. McNabb is expendable with Martinez back. If the Rangers need to add a 3rd to even it out, whatever

 

[mas0764]

I love how they say the rangers and Buffalo aren’t close but then in the same breath if we replace our offer by one different player it appears it’s a done deal . To me that sounds as close as you can get lol

Where was that said?

 

[NJRangers35]

I have a bad feeling we are signing Coleman, cizikas, a LD, and trading strome and calling it a day.

Laf-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Krav
Kreider-Goodrow-Coleman
Blais-Cizikas-Gauthier

not saying that’s what I want, but that is what I feel is going to happen Wednesday.

 

[Ola]

Bob mackenzie must have handed Seravalli all his contacts.

Think Seravallli is a ghost writer for daagon

 

[gravey9]

My forward lines as of now, adn assuming strome is gone;

Panarin-Zib-Laf
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Goodrow-XXXX-Kravtsov
Blais-Barron-XXX
extra forwards: Rooney, Gauthier

I think we need to sign a Middle Six Center and one more side of beef for the 4th line. Reaves?

On D:
Fox-Lindgren
Miller-Trouba
XXX-Lundkvist
extra: Bitetto

Goalies
Shesterkin
Georgy (though I think he might get moved as well)
Kinkaid

I think Jones, Robertson and possibly Schneider start in the A. (Can Schneider play in the A or must he go back to juniors?) I think we bring in one. I think we bring in a vet D who can play PK and clear the crease. And possibly drop the gloves.

 

[mas0764]

So Buffalo apparently wants all futures full rebuild. The equivalent of 4 first round pick level prospects/picks

Minnesota cannot make a futures trade they need to send money back and have a bunch of holes to fill while also needing big money to sign fiala and Kaprizov

I don’t see where Buffalo is moving this kid too. He also still does need the surgery. It’s practically August. You’re lucky you see this guy at all next season.

I really really hope we stay far far away

I want to just hang around on the fringe until they realize the deal we offered sans Kravtsov and Lundkvist is the best deal they are gonna get and then come crawling back.

 

[EpicDing]

My forward lines as of now, adn assuming strome is gone;

Panarin-Zib-Laf
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko
Goodrow-XXXX-Kravtsov
Blais-Barron-XXX
extra forwards: Rooney, Gauthier

I think we need to sign a Middle Six Center and one more side of beef for the 4th line. Reaves?

On D:
Fox-Lindgren
Miller-Trouba
XXX-Lundkvist
extra: Bitetto

Goalies
Shesterkin
Georgy (though I think he might get moved as well)
Kinkaid

I think Jones, Robertson and possibly Schneider start in the A. (Can Schneider play in the A or must he go back to juniors?) I think we bring in one. I think we bring in a vet D who can play PK and clear the crease. And possibly drop the gloves.

Why scratch Rooney? He's good for the 4th line.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How much size do you need to have? Does every player need to be 6'1 or above just cause Tampa is that way? Why is four out of six not good enough?



.... because Pittsburgh ran out three guys who were under 6'2? Daley was 5'11, Letang 6'0, Cole 6'1? I'm just not seeing a ton of difference in that and Fox 5'11, Nils 6'0, Lindgren 6'0.

We aren't talking Tampa Bay levels of size and height.

Yes we need a couple big guys like Orlov or Hedman. We have Miller who is 6'5, we have Trouba who is 6'3. Robertson is 6'4, we are gonna be good in that department.

Keeping Schneider over Nils is not some necessity so that our D comports to modern Cup Winning standards. It already does that. We have plenty of size to win.

Having a second f***ing offensive dynamo like Nils also helps you win.

All 3 of those guys are heavier than our guys. Cole was/is pushing 220 IIRC.

 

[jay from jersey]

I have zero desire to move out trouba

Yea I’m not rushing to move him or attaching a first or anything like that. He’s still a solid D-man