Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[mas0764]

My argument isn't unfounded, the teams that usually win the cup have physical dmen as a basis for their d thats a fact, its staring everyone in the face when they hoist the cup, whether they are smaller gritty guys like Lindgren or 6'7 like Hedman. You are trying to dimiss the fact that while there are teams that have done it without it the teams that are most always successful in playoffs have that element.

This statement is so vague how can it be a fact?

Tell me how much size is needed. You can't.

It's a fact that other than the Lightning most Cup Winners have had more than one sub-6'1 defender soaking up big minutes. Try going back further than 2 years.

Also, you're pretending Schneider is a bad dman, like there is a serious drop off from Lundkvist to him, they play different styles, Schneider is really really good and much more than just 6'3 and tough as a player.

When did I say Schneider is a bad dman? He's an excellent prospect.

He's just not as good as Nils. I don't think he's as good offensively or defensively other than his ability not to get out muscled, but there's more to defending than that.

Schneider is a gem just like Robertson is, but we have so many that someone (or some TWO) is going to get squeezed out. I reject the notion that it's predetermined that for the best interest of the team it has to be Nils. No, it can just as easily be Schneider (or Trouba) if we want to get into an HONEST breakdown of what is needed.

Everyone falls back on these cliches like "well, size wins in the playoffs," but then they don't answer how Boston keeps advancing or how Pittsburgh won two cups or they don't bother to answer why having only 4 six foot plus Ds is not gonna work but having 5 is just right. The logic here is completely full of holes.

Solution: Stop writing in Schneider like it's a foregone conclusion. Or adopt some other outside the box thinking (maybe Trouba should be moved off the roster? Maybe someone should play the left side? etc).

 

[bl02]

I think Vegas needs to cut cap now.

how the hell are they affording another contract like they are giving Martinez? I mean aren't they giving a zillion dollars to their two goalies?

 

[mas0764]

The rebuild is over my friend

It's incomplete at the current moment whether management decides they are no longer interest in young players or not.

 

[bl02]

That's a steal compared to Goodrow. Guy was lighting it up and a proven Playoff Performer

I REALLY wanted him.

Fair contract but I think Goodrow proved he can hold his own the last two playoffs against pretty stiff competition in the east.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think Vegas needs to cut cap now.

They have time.

 

[mas0764]

This team needs to make the playoffs this year, it should have been last season but things got in the way.

It doesn't need to. Dolan might demand, so it might need to on that account.

It needs to win a Cup or Cups during a future prime of Kakko and Lafreniere, but that isn't served more by making the playoffs next season than it would be by acquiring a future top 6 or top line center.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

keep Strome til the TDL at least if nothing else better comes along. There could be options to buy then (if we’re good) or we can sell if we’re bad or do both

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

but is Bennett under market value or is Goodrow extremely overpaid? I think Bennett is fair. Goodrows contract is absurd.

I think Panarin was fair for being a UFA..

4.4 wouldn't be 4.4 in NY, which is the point that I wanted to make.

But would you have given Bennett 4x4.4 before he got traded to Florida? Not that I think it'll go the same way, but Ryan Spooner looked good for us too after 15 games.

 

[Kovalev27]

It's incomplete at the current moment whether management decides they are no longer interest in young players or not.

but it’s over. The team is flush with young players and prospects. They are in the mode of bringing in veterans to support them and have brought in a Cup contending coach. You can’t be the youngest team forever. The moves still to be made are for veterans

Lundkvist was really the last big young piece they wanted to add to this lineup. Schneider of course at some point but they’re already here.

we are in win now mode. There is no more acceleration of the rebuild it’s over. Now it’s a matter of getting guys they think can get them deep into the playoffs

 

[mas0764]

I'm super high on Kravtsov as well, but I think you're forgetting the mess that was his first year over here. What's super encouraging to me is how well he bounced back from that.

I'm high on Kravtsov but I am concerned over the lack of production and looking at other comps at his age who then exploded into 60 point or 70 point players. Not sure it's a long list.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

My counter would be, why would that only be an advantage for high upside prospects? Could be that they saw signs of offensive skill from "lower upside types" that didn't show up as noticeably on the stat sheet for whatever reason due to usage, team etc. I think dinging teams for going off the board carries even less weight than usual this year.

Yeah that’s a fair counterpoint

like I said, they seemed to play it safe by all accounts, which is fine

but for all we know they took guys that they consider to be high upside and not super safe

so really who knows? Lol

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I don’t think it has to be this season but they absolutely need to be a real contender in 2 years to give Panarin 3 shots at a cup while we have all these kids cheap. Not trying to really win while you have Panarin at almost 12M is akin to the Yankees spending 327M on Cole then trying to patch together a staff with reclamation projects

 

[bl02]

keep Strome til the TDL at least if nothing else better comes along. There could be options to buy then (if we’re good) or we can sell if we’re bad or do both

That is exactly what is going to happen. Getting a very good LD plus picks for Strome is probably not reality right now.

 

[mas0764]

but it’s over. The team is flush with young players and prospects. They are in the mode of bringing in veterans to support them and have brought in a Cup contending coach. You can’t be the youngest team forever. The moves still to be made are for veterans

Lundkvist was really the last big young piece they wanted to add to this lineup. Schneider of course at some point but they’re already here.

we are in win now mode. There is no more acceleration of the rebuild it’s over. Now it’s a matter of getting guys they think can get them deep into the playoffs

They will not have as much success as they want without getting at least another young center into the org.

They can be in whatever mode they want, it's incomplete without another center.

 

[pld459666]

They have time.

6-7 weeks

 

[McRanger92]

I could see Strome going to Vegas for Reilly Smith + Brayden McNabb/Ryan Reaves. Vegas gains a top 6 C and ~2.5-3 mil in cap space. Rangers can bump Chytil up to 2C and Smith is a Gallant favorite who can slot in on RW for Buch with no long term commitment. McNabb plays 3rd pair with Nils & kills penalties

 

[Gardner McKay]

Week starting off depressing in Ranger land again I see.

f*ck me dude.

This is not a great contract. Aside from his little hot streak last year, he put up 24 points in the previous 90 games.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It doesn't need to. Dolan might demand, so it might need to on that account.

It needs to win a Cup or Cups during a future prime of Kakko and Lafreniere, but that isn't served more by making the playoffs next season than it would be by acquiring a future top 6 or top line center.

If this team doesn't make playoffs it is a huge disappointment given its make up. They need to start moving forward otherwise we will be in the problem where the Leafs are, capped out, you need to win while the kids are on decent contracts otherwise youll forever be shipping players in and out.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I could see Strome going to Vegas for Reilly Smith + Brayden McNabb/Ryan Reaves. Vegas gains a top 6 C and ~2.5-3 mil in cap space. Rangers can bump Chytil up to 2C and Smith is a Gallant favorite who can slot in on RW for Buch with no long term commitment. McNabb plays 3rd pair with Nils & kills penalties

that seems like quite a lot for Strome

 

[Rongomania]

This is not a great contract. Aside from his little hot streak last year, he put up 24 points in the previous 90 games.

True, I just think about what he'd look like with a Kak or Laf on his wing.

 

[bl02]

The rebuild is over unless we just miss the playoffs in a competitve east and somehow win the lottery.
If we are a bottom 6-8 team next year then we are in real trouble. Means guys like Kakko/Kravtsov/Chytil stuck in mud and not developing

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I could see Strome going to Vegas for Reilly Smith + Brayden McNabb/Ryan Reaves. Vegas gains a top 6 C and ~2.5-3 mil in cap space. Rangers can bump Chytil up to 2C and Smith is a Gallant favorite who can slot in on RW for Buch with no long term commitment. McNabb plays 3rd pair with Nils & kills penalties

So we're gonn go get Reeves to fight Wilson a couple times and sit in the press box the rest of the year? No thanks

 

[duhmetreE]

This statement is so vague how can it be a fact?

Tell me how much size is needed. You can't.

It's a fact that other than the Lightning most Cup Winners have had more than one sub-6'1 defender soaking up big minutes. Try going back further than 2 years.

Most, if not all, recent Cup winning teams have size on the back end. Whether its players like Hedman or fire hydrants like Orlov. Height is important. If you don't have height you need to be thicck, 200lbs+. You still need to be able to move the puck. It's not either or.

BUT the teams that win have size and can move the puck. TBLx2, STL, WAS and PITx2 have had it. I don't know where this comes from that Pittsburgh didn't have size on defense.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I would have liked to roll the dice on Bennett a lot, but let's be real there should be some questions about what exactly the Panthers are getting there.

Nice hot streak after being acquired in a contract year...could just as easily be the next B. Smith contract than some huge steal.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Are the same people wanting Bennett for that deal the same people against Dvorak for the same contract?