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Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

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The sad thing is outside of a blindside trade, whats out there for ufa centers is pretty underwhelming so I'm a little nervous about moving Strome yet. Who knows, maybe Drury saw enough out of Chytil he feels he can be a 2c and the goodrow trade was to get a 3c, if that were really true that would be great.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
I'll settle for the 17:30 he got in ice time, which is 3+ minutes more than Kakko has gotten in either of his 2 seasons so far.

You can certainly make the argument that this should have been the case in his rookie season. There was no reason for this to be the case last year.
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Really Kakko's first year was kind of awful but turned into a good learning experience for him to build up towards his second year. His main problems as a rookie were stamina and strength issues and awareness away from the puck. All those areas took a big uptick in his second year. It didn't show up in production stats but he is a much better player now than he was. So to me his game did grow considerably.
 
eco's bones said:
Really Kakko's first year was kind of awful but turned into a good learning experience for him to build up towards his second year. His main problems as a rookie were stamina and strength issues and awareness away from the puck. All those areas took a big uptick in his second year. It didn't show up in production stats but he is a much better player now than he was. So to me his game did grow considerably.
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It did grow, and due to that he should have played more.

He had basically the same ATOI as he did in his rookie season.
 
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Right, and that's what seems to have happened. I just thought your post made it sound like he came over and had a seamless transition, when in fact he needed a year to f*** up and then get his shit together. The fact that he did is fantastic, but it certainly wasn't seamless.
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His first trip here really did nothing to adjust him to anything because he never played an NHL game. His first games in the NHL were seemless, he wasn't out of place physically, speed wise and was actually good defensively and was threat offensively. Its a tough transition to make from country to country, league to league, language to language and rink to rink and it was amazingly seemless.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Not sure I agree with this 100%. You're significantly upgrading the bottom 6, and presumably upgrading the bottom pair (I assume your "not other trades/signings" doesn't include a vet D, which they will almost certainly acquire). Then, it comes down to how well the young forwards, including Chytil at 2C, progress.

If that's the the path they take, it's definitely a big bet, that could easily go either way. It's a risk.
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Sure. Those are absolutely true. But in the process, we have made our top 6 worse. Good/Bad/Indifferent feelings towards Strome, he and Panarin have fantastic chemistry. Buch also had a career year last year. It seems like a lot of offense to lose. While we certainly hope the kids take the next step, the reality is that not all of them may.
 
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Sure. Those are absolutely true. But in the process, we have made our top 6 worse. Good/Bad/Indifferent feelings towards Strome, he and Panarin have fantastic chemistry. Buch also had a career year last year. It seems like a lot of offense to lose. While we certainly hope the kids take the next step, the reality is that not all of them may.
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Not that im disagreeing with your opinion but imo Laf, Kakko and Kravtsov will add a lot more to this team this season, Chytil depending on where he is slotted could too. I have no doubt we get more from laf and kakko.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
To be fair a lot of crap went on this past season that derailed this team from where they would have likely made the playoffs.
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If that's what you want to believe.

Since Covid, the team has been in disarray. Maybe we have different expectations. Or maybe I was disillusioned on the 'run' right before the covid stoppage.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Not that im disagreeing with your opinion but imo Laf, Kakko and Kravtsov will add a lot more to this team this season, Chytil depending on where he is slotted could too. I have no doubt we get more from laf and kakko.
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Sure. I think we will get more. How much more is the question?

I'm just a big nervous right now and I am lacking confidence after the Buchnevich trade.
 
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No question the Buch return was lighter than we all expected. If we got a 1st & Blais its a lot quieter in here, but i think its entirely possible the league does not see Buchnevich the way NYR fans do. Couple that with the fact that potential partners knew the Rangers weren't interested in signing him, and it is what it is. At least Kakko & Kravtsov have a clear path to top 6 minutes and PP time.
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Market value and pressures are one thing but if other league GMs don’t see him the same way we do, then they are in the wrong line of work because they don’t know hockey.
 
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You solve a lot of issues by moving Laf to center. It’s a move that has been talked about a great deal before he came to the NHL, because skill wise, he is perfect for the center position. He also got that gritty stubborn mentality that is optimal at center. I think too much attention is put into short term consideration when this move isn’t made, because of course there will be an adjustment period. But it’s hard to not look at our organizational depth chart and come to any other conclusion than that an elite home grown mega talented center would fit in a little better than a LW.
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He would need to improve his skating and conditioning quite significantly. I agree it could make sense but I'd like to see him truly succeed first before changing his position.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Sure. Those are absolutely true. But in the process, we have made our top 6 worse. Good/Bad/Indifferent feelings towards Strome, he and Panarin have fantastic chemistry. Buch also had a career year last year. It seems like a lot of offense to lose. While we certainly hope the kids take the next step, the reality is that not all of them may.
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Those deals where we get a lesser, but still talented player for Buchnevich wasn't out there.

Additionally, the cost savings on a guy like Blais this year alone is going to be 4+ million compared to what Buch will be making.

It sucks, but this really wasn't much of a hockey trade as much as it was a bit of a cap dump while getting a pick a year out and a warm body that is physical and responsible defensively
 
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Not sure if discussed earlier, Scott Wheeler had Rangers ranked 16th (in his "overtime losers," category for Day 1, and then ranked 29th (in his "losers," category) for Day 2.

Not good. I know everyone will be quick to dismiss post draft analysis but we all lapped it up when they had us ranked high and that turned out to be true. No guarantee that things work out bad from this draft but it's not a good sign.
 
Trade Strome for Soucy/MacDermid
Sign Bonino 2 x 2.5

Laf Mika Kakko
Pan Chytil Goodrow
Krieder Bonino Kratvsov
Blais Rooney Barron/Gauthier
MacDermid

Lind Fox
Miller Trouba
Soucy Lundkvist
Bitetto/MacDermid
 
TheBloodyNine said:
Ahhh gotcha my mistake then. Regardless I believe that if this continues to drag out his camp is gonna start to be more vocal. Adams is overplaying his hand but thinks he can because he got great returns on Reinhardt and Risto. We’ll see what happens, but now he won’t have the luxury of having known picks to ask for in the deal like 3 with Anaheim or 15 with Rangers or the 2 later picks from Minnesota. There are also no Laf/Kakko level of prospect being offered or else it would have been done already.
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i have always thought wednesday is the deadline for this to happen. 21 picks were always kinda a crapshoot and if you are buffalo do you really care about a known pick in 21 or random value of picks in 22? I dont think that is a deal breaker given the talent differences. I just think that once teams start blowing their cap space on ufas suddenly finding a home for jack will be that much harder and limited. teams are only going to wait so long before they move on and spend their cap elsewhere. that is a big reason why nyr has to still be seen as an ideal landing spot bc we will have the flexibility. I mean even if we go sign danault, we could still potentially make an eichel deal and for one year run zib, eichel, danault (assuming chytil goes in the deal), and then zib is gone the following season and eichel/danault become the guys with backfilling the 3c slot later. I'm NOT advocating for that plan, but I am just saying nyr are in such a unique position to be the team.
 
Lindberg Cheese said:
Trade Strome for Soucy/MacDermid
Sign Bonino 2 x 2.5

Laf Mika Kakko
Pan Chytil Goodrow
Krieder Bonino Kratvsov
Blais Rooney Barron/Gauthier
MacDermid

Lind Fox
Miller Trouba
Soucy Lundkvist
Bitetto/MacDermid
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i know he has more value than that but we also said the same about Buchnevich so who knows.
 
mas0764 said:
Not sure if discussed earlier, Scott Wheeler had Rangers ranked 16th (in his "overtime losers," category for Day 1, and then ranked 29th (in his "losers," category) for Day 2.

Not good. I know everyone will be quick to dismiss post draft analysis but we all lapped it up when they had us ranked high and that turned out to be true. No guarantee that things work out bad from this draft but it's not a good sign.
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Sounds quite dramatic. These guys know next to nothing about the prospects out there this year. They’re relying on a lot of reports to make these claims. This year scouting was far more important than it has been in recent years, I would trust our scouts more than any lists that were put out there.
 
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Not sure if discussed earlier, Scott Wheeler had Rangers ranked 16th (in his "overtime losers," category for Day 1, and then ranked 29th (in his "losers," category) for Day 2.

Not good. I know everyone will be quick to dismiss post draft analysis but we all lapped it up when they had us ranked high and that turned out to be true. No guarantee that things work out bad from this draft but it's not a good sign.
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Draft day analysis is always a crap shoot honestly. In 2009 the Rangers got ripped for taking a Massachussetts high school player who was a reach at 19 overall while "better" players were still available. The player the Rangers got ripped for taking was Chris Kreider and the "better" players still available were the likes of Jordan Schroeder, Jacob Josefson, John Moore, Tim Erixon and Simon Depres.

I think it's safe to say the Rangers made the right pick there.
 
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