Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[Deleted member 23124]

Not sure I agree with this 100%. You're significantly upgrading the bottom 6, and presumably upgrading the bottom pair (I assume your "not other trades/signings" doesn't include a vet D, which they will almost certainly acquire). Then, it comes down to how well the young forwards, including Chytil at 2C, progress.

If that's the way they go, it's definitely a big bet, that could easily go either way. It's a risk.

I agree. It seems to me that the moves (albeit iffy) point to The Rangers finally giving Laf, Kakko and Chytl the ice time to prove they can do the job.

 

[Trxjw]

Hence why the last 2 years of Quinn making him "earn it" has left Kakko & the team as a whole behind the 8 ball. On a related note, we need to all brace ourselves for the inevitable 4-8-1 start we get off to before figuring out the system some time in December

Behind the 8-ball? The last two years of making him "earn it" turned Kakko into practically a Selke-level winger. Zibanejad, Strome, Buchnevich, and Panarin had the best offensive seasons of their entire careers under Quinn. Buchnevich turned into one of the best two-way wingers in the entire league. Fox won the f***ing Norris under Quinn. Lindgren emerged as a top-pairing defensemen under Quinn. Yeah, they really suffered pretty bad under Quinn that's for sure.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think the problem the Rangers are trying to solve is the issue of not being able to win games that dont suit their strengths. The team has worlds of skill and can score at will when they are on, but the issue is when another team takes away their rush/slot line chances. The moves they are making signal to me that they are trying to build a team that can win in multiple ways. That is truly the Tampa model.

No one is arguing that Coleman/Goodrow/Maroon were the reason the Lighting have won back 2 back cups, but adding them gave Tampa the ability to win with skill AND to win games they could grind out against teams that could neutralize their top guys. Look no further than Game 7 against the Islanders.

The Rangers are a playoff team last year if they didnt constantly get off to sluggish starts, give up back breaking goals late and blow 3rd period leads. Drury is trying to correct those issues, and im willing to see how the team looks on opening day before I crucify him

I can quibble a bit with the first two picks in the draft, but really my only gripe so far is the return on the Buch trade. And even there, it's not that I don't like Blais as a target, I just felt he should've gotten more than a 2nd round pick in addition.

We're definitely not in crucifixion territory; it's just that the last major move has left a bad taste and that'll linger with folks until they do more to either wash it out or make it worse. (Likely the former, IMO.)

 

[PuckLuck3043]

My concern with Danault is that his offense seemed to evaporate in the playoffs. He’s great defensively in those games but he’s going to be paid like a scorer and he’s definitely not that in the post season. If Chytil can play the scoring 2C role, that could work for a short time but then eventually Chytil is going to cash in.

Danault would be an amazing fit here but the term may be too long. He would put up 50 with Panarin, play shut down D, and actually win some faceoffs.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

If the Rangers flip Strome for a LHD, I have a really, really hard time seeing the NY Rangers strolling into the first day of free agency with -- assuming allocations for Shesty and Chytil -- ~$15m in cap space and not spending it on someone. I could see them offering someone like Getzlaf a big 1 year deal to center the 3rd line if in fact they don't want Goodrow there or Blais in the top-9.

That, or taking on a vet signed to a big contract with 1-2 years remaining from a team with a cap problem.

 

[cheech70]

I can quibble a bit with the first two picks in the draft, but really my only gripe so far is the return on the Buch trade. And even there, it's not that I don't like Blais as a target, I just felt he should've gotten more than a 2nd round pick in addition.

We're definitely not in crucifixion territory; it's just that the last major move has left a bad taste and that'll linger with folks until they do more to either wash it out or make it worse. (Likely the former, IMO.)

The rational for Buch is the Bennet return....pick 20"s from Panthers to pick 40-50 for Buch.... Bottom 6 and 2C and 3LD...deal from surplus and excludes Buch and Strome. The ballsy move by Drury is keeping Filip and giving him the time his stats deserve.....and maybe he is going to do it with a veteran reinforcement

 

[DialUp]

Not sure I agree with this 100%. You're significantly upgrading the bottom 6, and presumably upgrading the bottom pair (I assume your "not other trades/signings" doesn't include a vet D, which they will almost certainly acquire). Then, it comes down to how well the young forwards, including Chytil at 2C, progress.

If that's the way they go, it's definitely a big bet, that could easily go either way. It's a risk.

The team did well last year when they were playing Globetrotters hockey and the other team decided to take the night off. That was, hopefully, a Quinn problem. It's not just Chytil progressing (in my opinion, I don't see him as our future 2C, hope I am wrong), it's Gallant getting these guys to buy into a sustainable system.

Next year we might be more competitive overall (less blowout losses, and probably less blowout wins too), but may not see much movement in terms of actual W/L. Even if the record is the same, the team should be "better", but not there just yet. The roster won't be complete next year either. I don't think it's much of a risk to lean on Laf and Kakko and Krav, they should be trending upward nicely, it is the Chytil reliance that may be sketchy.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

All the right names. Good.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just a reminder that Gerard "real NHL coach" Gallant unleashed Florida's 2nd overall pick to a whopping 36 points in his first season as coach. Systems take time to learn. Especially for younger players. I think Kakko is poised to take a big step forward but lets not pretend like Gallant is going to turn these kids into superstars immediately by virtue of not being David Quinn.

I'll settle for the 17:30 he got in ice time, which is 3+ minutes more than Kakko has gotten in either of his 2 seasons so far.

You can certainly make the argument that this should have been the case in his rookie season. There was no reason for this to be the case last year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hence why the last 2 years of Quinn making him "earn it" has left Kakko & the team as a whole behind the 8 ball. On a related note, we need to all brace ourselves for the inevitable 4-8-1 start we get off to before figuring out the system some time in December

I watched an interview with Kakko at the end of his rookie season and he said he felt a bit overwhelmed by the speed of the league and he needed to be better in his own end. I actually think Quinn did a great job with both him and Chytil, who also expressed that he needed to be better when he was sent down.

 

[McRanger92]

I can quibble a bit with the first two picks in the draft, but really my only gripe so far is the return on the Buch trade. And even there, it's not that I don't like Blais as a target, I just felt he should've gotten more than a 2nd round pick in addition.

We're definitely not in crucifixion territory; it's just that the last major move has left a bad taste and that'll linger with folks until they do more to either wash it out or make it worse. (Likely the former, IMO.)

No question the Buch return was lighter than we all expected. If we got a 1st & Blais its a lot quieter in here, but i think its entirely possible the league does not see Buchnevich the way NYR fans do. Couple that with the fact that potential partners knew the Rangers weren't interested in signing him, and it is what it is. At least Kakko & Kravtsov have a clear path to top 6 minutes and PP time.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lafreniere, Kakko and Chytil are now ready to be NHL players, they'll finally have a normal offseason again as well as a proper training camp. I think Donald Duck could coach them to much better seasons so having Gallant is a bonus but these kids were gonna be better no matter who coached them this season. Also, I'm high on Kravtsov, does anyone else find it remarkable how quickly he fit in coming from russia, new town, language, systems, rink...everytjing. I'm bullish on him this year after a summer and training camp

 

[romba]

Word is he's looking for term. Saw a report saying don't be surprised if he signs a 4 year deal.

Yup, who isn't, especially 30+ yr old guys?

Even a drastic overpayment of 6 mil for 2 (12 in pocket) or 4 mil for 4 years (16 in pocket) when this is almost assuredly the last contract...not rocket science. 35 year olds are not in the habit of betting on themselves anymore

 

[McRanger92]

I watched an interview with Kakko at the end of his rookie season and he said he felt a bit overwhelmed by the speed of the league and he needed to be better in his own end. I actually think Quinn did a great job with both him and Chytil, who also expressed that he needed to be better when he was sent down.

Fair enough. Kakko has improved a lot defensively i just think there were development opportunities missed by not trying him on the PP/PK.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Danault would be an amazing fit here but the term may be too long. He would put up 50 with Panarin, play shut down D, and actually win some faceoffs.

Danault would be awesome at 4 mill x 6 or even 5 mill at 3 years. Over that he's not worth it and he's gonna get paid this season.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Lafreniere, Kakko and Chytil are now ready to be NHL players, they'll finally have a normal offseason again as well as a proper training camp. I think Donald Duck could coach them to much better seasons so having Gallant is a bonus but these kids were gonna be better no matter who coached them this season. Also, I'm high on Kravtsov, does anyone else find it remarkable how quickly he fit in coming from russia, new town, language, systems, rink...everytjing. I'm bullish on him this year after a summer and training camp

I'm super high on Kravtsov as well, but I think you're forgetting the mess that was his first year over here. What's super encouraging to me is how well he bounced back from that.

 

[duhmetreE]

Behind the 8-ball? The last two years of making him "earn it" turned Kakko into practically a Selke-level winger. Zibanejad, Strome, Buchnevich, and Panarin had the best offensive seasons of their entire careers under Quinn. Buchnevich turned into one of the best two-way wingers in the entire league. Fox won the f***ing Norris under Quinn. Lindgren emerged as a top-pairing defensemen under Quinn. Yeah, they really suffered pretty bad under Quinn that's for sure.

What you're describing is a good assistant coach. Not a good head coach. We were a group of individuals that won based on individual efforts. We were never a team.

For all of the individual success... what did the team accomplish?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm super high on Kravtsov as well, but I think you're forgetting the mess that was his first year over here. What's super encouraging to me is how well he bounced back from that.

Kids grow into men.

 

[Avery16]

Danault would be an amazing fit here but the term may be too long. He would put up 50 with Panarin, play shut down D, and actually win some faceoffs.

If we didn’t have the long term cap space to accommodate a Buch re-sign, I don’t see where the space will come from to give Danault, by most consideration a 3C on competitive teams, the term and $ his camp has signaled.

Getting a second 3C shouldn’t cost us the chance of re-signing our 1C. If it does, our depth and cap flexibility will be a shambles for seasons to come.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

What you're describing is a good assistant coach. Not a good head coach. We were a group of individuals that won based on individual efforts. We were never a team.

For all of the individual success... what did the team accomplish?

To be fair a lot of crap went on this past season that derailed this team from where they would have likely made the playoffs.

 

[DialUp]

For all of the individual success... what did the team accomplish?

They got everyone fired.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I can quibble a bit with the first two picks in the draft, but really my only gripe so far is the return on the Buch trade. And even there, it's not that I don't like Blais as a target, I just felt he should've gotten more than a 2nd round pick in addition.

We're definitely not in crucifixion territory; it's just that the last major move has left a bad taste and that'll linger with folks until they do more to either wash it out or make it worse. (Likely the former, IMO.)

If Drury was offered a late first and the kind of player he didn't want or a second and the kind of player he did want, what was he going to do?

 

[eco's bones]

All the right names. Good.

I was going to say that.

 

[Cag29]

I can quibble a bit with the first two picks in the draft, but really my only gripe so far is the return on the Buch trade. And even there, it's not that I don't like Blais as a target, I just felt he should've gotten more than a 2nd round pick in addition.

We're definitely not in crucifixion territory; it's just that the last major move has left a bad taste and that'll linger with folks until they do more to either wash it out or make it worse. (Likely the former, IMO.)

Wasn’t Buch a year away from UFA? I think Drury got what he could for him. And it’s a decent return. A 2nd in a better draft class 2022 and useful player who plays with an edge.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Danault would be awesome at 4 mill x 6 or even 5 mill at 3 years. Over that he's not worth it and he's gonna get paid this season.

Yeah, he's going to get something like 5.5 for 6 or 7 years from somebody.