Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[Shesterkybomb]

No. Stop this. Goodrow is a left wing. He has played his best hockey as left wing. He is not worth a six year deal playing out of position, and hasn’t regularly played center in years. You don’t give a guy a six year deal to play out of position.

Thats not accurate though, he's good at both positions and played center a lot in San Jose.

 

[mas0764]

You can dimiss it all you want but there's a common thread to teams that end up in the finals, their dmen are usually sizeable and physical. Nobody said it was the only option, its just the most likely one.

So talking point repeated as truth then.

Look, I get it that the team has issued its marching orders for fans but I’m not falling in line. The Bruins went to 7 games just two years ago with a pint sized defense in comparison.

This size narrative is getting out of hand. Krug Geelczyk and MacAvoy are smaller than if we have 5’11 Fox and 6’ Nils back there with Trouba, Miller, Lindgren, and pick one of Schneider or Robertson.

 

[mas0764]

I dont think anyone will confuse Lindgren's physical style for Lundkvist no matter how comparable their sizes are. Take a look at Tampa's defense, Ryan McDonagh is the smallest guy on it, and hes no shrinking violet, everyone else is 6'3 plus and physical. Montreal, all big, i havent looked at it but id guess the conference finals teams all had big physical dmen. Big mobile dmen are valuable in a long playoff run, its great we got Fox but you can't trot out Jones and Lundkvist as well and hope to win 4 7 game series.

Well I don’t think Tampa has to be the only comparison. Like I said Boston went to the finals with a smallish D lineup just two years ago and nearly won. I don’t buy that they lost because they lacked a combined 6-8 more inches on D.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Also in his one game stint, Justin Richards didn’t look out of place on NHL ice.

I like Richards, I think he was born to be a 4C in this league. A little bit of a poor mans Dom Moore

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Plenty of prospects avalible, Dads, Tierney and White available. L brown+ picks. Etc

Pinto, even if we add

 

[Taluss]

Pinto, even if we add

Certainly would need to be an add to pry him away

 

[bobbop]

So what are we thinking for Strome

Vegas McNabb and Reeves?
Seattle Dunn or Soucy and a pick?
Ottawa?

Don’t discount Giordano.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So talking point repeated as truth then.

Look, I get it that the team has issued its marching orders for fans but I’m not falling in line. The Bruins went to 7 games just two years ago with a pint sized defense in comparison.

This size narrative is getting out of hand. Krug Geelczyk and MacAvoy are smaller than if we have 5’11 Fox and 6’ Nils back there with Trouba, Miller, Lindgren, and pick one of Schneider or Robertson.

Its not team marching orders its how teams win cups. Tell me what the St.Louis Blues teams defense looked like that year. The players you listed outside of Gryz play bigger than their size much like Lindgeen does but you keep looking and the teams that usually win had big or physical dmen as the base of their d, its ok to have Fox, but you put 2 or 3 small or non physical dmen in there and it doesn't work, its not marching orders its what works in the NHL, you can't contain guys like Matthews, Bergeron, Ovechkin, Kucherov, etc with guys who can't physically contain them.

 

[mas0764]

Big week for potential Jack Eichel trade, free agency predictions

Highlights:
- JE market right now is Minn, Calgary and Ducks. Reiterates that Buffalo/NYR were never close.
- Ottawa/Seattle/Vegas all in on Strome

Get Krebs from Vegas

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So talking point repeated as truth then.

Look, I get it that the team has issued its marching orders for fans but I’m not falling in line. The Bruins went to 7 games just two years ago with a pint sized defense in comparison.

This size narrative is getting out of hand. Krug Geelczyk and MacAvoy are smaller than if we have 5’11 Fox and 6’ Nils back there with Trouba, Miller, Lindgren, and pick one of Schneider or Robertson.

I know what you mean, but you can't really make that statement when Chara and Carlo existed on that defense lol.

It's not a narrative though, it's pretty much a fact. If you look at the top 4 for the teams that have won (or gotten to the finals) they range to be even bigger and heavier - those are the guys who are eating almost all of the minutes, it's rare that you see them as evenly distributed as they are during the regular season.

Also McAvoy is pretty average sized. If Nils moved like Krug I'd be less worried.

 

[bobbop]

I don’t think they’ve thought that through honestly. Just getting tough guys in and worrying about the rest later. Pretty sure Blais played some RW too though

Blais played mostly LW in St Louis. Seems like he got into Berube’s doghouse last year. Also was banged up. I though he played very well in 2019 playoffs.

Seems like moving Strome is imminent. I wonder if Logan Brown could be part of an Ottawa deal. I know we tend to overvalue Ranger players when proposing trades but I just don’t think Vince Dunn or Brayden McNabb are equal value. Need more than that.

If the Rangers do move Strome before Wednesday, it’s obvious Drury has his eye on 1-2 big signings. Would love that Blake Coleman be one of them .

 

[bobbop]

No. Stop this. Goodrow is a left wing. He has played his best hockey as left wing. He is not worth a six year deal playing out of position, and hasn’t regularly played center in years. You don’t give a guy a six year deal to play out of position.

He played center regularly in San Jose.

 

[mas0764]

Its not team marching orders its how teams win cups. Tell me what the St.Louis Blues teams defense looked like that year. The players you listed outside of Gryz play bigger than their size much like Lindgeen does but you keep looking and the teams that usually win had big or physical dmen as the base of their d, its ok to have Fox, but you put 2 or 3 small or non physical dmen in there and it doesn't work, its not marching orders its what works in the NHL, you can't contain guys like Matthews, Bergeron, Ovechkin, Kucherov, etc with guys who can't physically contain them.

St Louis wasn’t the bubble Cup.

Anyway you keep saying “2 or 3 don’t work,” but there’s no proof of that, and even if there was, why is 6’0 Lindgren ok but not 6’0 Nils?

Pittsburgh won two Cups and no monsters… Letang is only 6’, Daley 5”11, Doumelin 6’1, Streit 5’11.

Lookit, I believe you need size on D. I do not believe you need ONLY size. Telling me we are out of room for 5’11 or 6’ Ds because we already have Fox and everyone else needs to be 6’2 or bigger is just not substantiated by facts.

JD started this bullshit and Drury is perpetuating it. Your D core does not need to be all 6’3 bullies.

 

[Good Intentions]

I like Richards, I think he was born to be a 4C in this league. A little bit of a poor mans Dom Moore

Agree - he didn’t look out of place, but he also does not look like a “Ranger” - maybe Arizona for Richards? Midwest? Western Canada?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today July 26th I believe by 10:A.M. all NHL team RFA qualifying offers must be submitted.

 

[jay from jersey]

You can justify it however you want. I don’t buy that Nils is redundant cause Fox is here any more than I buy that Schneider is redundant because Trouba is here. Where did this silly narrative come from that you can’t have two defensemen with good offensive skill sets? Also where did the narrative come from that Nils needs power play time or he’s useless?

I think Nils is flat out better than Schneider. Move one of them, trade Schneider, trade Trouba, do what you gotta do. I’m not interested in moving Nils.

And I’ve said I wouldn’t even include him for Eichel (in a package).

I don’t believe he’s useless or redundant. I do believe sooner rather then later he’s going to need heavy top 4 all situations minutes and PP time to flourish and develop . And that’s just not going to happen here on the right side for about 3 years.
So unless they plan on him playing on the left, I just don’t see how he gets the time. As far as including him for Eichel we can agree to disagree.
Eichel is only 4 years older then Nils. Bonafide 1 C are the rarest commodity in the game. As long as Eichel is 100% healthy, even with his contract and Nils on his ELC I made the deal 7 days a week to sure up the rangers center position for the next 5 years. Recoup some assets from dealing Zibby.

 

[mas0764]

I don't want an Eichel that needs neck surgery and requires 3 or 4 pieces to get him. I stay away. I don't think we are going to land him anyway. That being said I think both Lundkvist and Schneider will both be great but if I had to choose between the two I take Schneider. Im dreaming of a blueline of:

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Robertson - Schneider

With that amount of size from Miller Robertson and Schneider, Trouba should be moved and Lundkvist kept.

 

[Kravtsov420]

i firmly believe we don't start the season with Strome. the move will be interesting to say the least as it looks like we are going for specific players as opposed to necessarily equal value at first glance.

 

[I Eat Crow]

i firmly believe we don't start the season with Strome. the move will be interesting to say the least as it looks like we are going for specific players as opposed to necessarily equal value at first glance.

All of Buchnevich, Strome, and Georgiev will be moved before training camp. That's who Servalli has on the block from the Rangers that have both been more or less confirmed by the Rangers beat and/or the ITK posters here.

One down, two to go.

 

[Savant]

He played center regularly in San Jose.

Sure. But that was years ago, and his play at center did not justify 6/21. Rangers are less likely to get ROI on that contract if Goodrow isn’t at his best position.

 

[jay from jersey]

I don't want an Eichel that needs neck surgery and requires 3 or 4 pieces to get him. I stay away. I don't think we are going to land him anyway. That being said I think both Lundkvist and Schneider will both be great but if I had to choose between the two I take Schneider. Im dreaming of a blueline of:

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Robertson - Schneider

I wouldn’t trade for him unless the docs sign off and he’s feeling 100% healthy. In that instance, he’s a absolute game breaker

 

[Shesterkybomb]

St Louis wasn’t the bubble Cup.

Anyway you keep saying “2 or 3 don’t work,” but there’s no proof of that, and even if there was, why is 6’0 Lindgren ok but not 6’0 Nils?

Pittsburgh won two Cups and no monsters… Letang is only 6’, Daley 5”11, Doumelin 6’1, Streit 5’11.

Lookit, I believe you need size on D. I do not believe you need ONLY size. Telling me we are out of room for 5’11 or 6’ Ds because we already have Fox and everyone else needs to be 6’2 or bigger is just not substantiated by facts.

JD started this bullshit and Drury is perpetuating it. Your D core does not need to be all 6’3 bullies.

Nobody said they do, big or physical mobile dmen win the day. Its a fact, there's outliers in everything but the teams that generally make it to the finals have big or physical dmen and there's a reason for that. This has nothing to do with JD, Nyr or me, Tampa built their d to be tough to play against, st.Louis built their d to be tough to play against. I'm done debating this because all you have to do is look at the cup winners and you'll see a trend. I can't explain it any more than that.

 

[bleedblue94]

How much size do you need? If you take out Jones can you do it then? I don’t understand this calculus. Ryan Lindgren seems to get approval at 6 foot but Nils at 6 foot seems to be considered too small. If we have 6’5 Miller, 6’3 Trouba and 6’2 Schneider or 6’3 Robertson is that enough?

I think everyone would agree Lindgren plays beyond his size. I just invite people to consider the d men that were again on the final 4 teams. It is a common theme almost every year. When the physicality and game chances deeper in the playoffs there aren't usually smaller d corps that are thriving

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think everyone would agree Lindgren plays beyond his size. I just invite people to consider the d men that were again on the finally 4 teams. It is a common theme almost every year. When the physicality and game chances deeper in the playoffs there aren't usually smaller d corps that are thriving

Totally agree

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Nils for Turcotte I would do