Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[charliemurphy]

I think a Strome to Vegas deal is still possible, although I think Ottawa is more likely.

I would think something like:
Dorofeyev + NYR 3rd for Strome is a likely value deal. I doubt they can get Krebs moving.

Ottawa is stingy but if it were them, I'd aim for Pinto and a 2nd.

 

[smoneil]

Most beat writers are dumb people, this guy probably sent one of those fake accounts of Eichel tweeting "I want out" and asked his agent if it was real. I doubt they would verify a fake account of Eichel. Twitter would've even had to GIVE him that account because the username was already taken by a fake account prior. Only plausible scenario is there's an elaborate troll who's a hockey fan works for Twitter. But I doubt it and it would've been taken down by now.

This is literally the second major verification of a fake account this week. Twitter is also notoriously slow to stop such things (comic book artist Patrick Zircher's bluecheck account was hacked last year, and it took close to four months for Twitter to get him back control of the account).

 

[effen]

If the Rangers are in on Eichel, it's going to be at or very close to their own terms.

I don't get the sense they've upped any offers.

So either Buffalo is coming closer to what's actually on the table, or a bunch of guys are desperately trying to draw attention to their "Brands"

This perfectly squares with Drury not seriously being in on Eichel, if Drury knows his offering is substandard and not open to negotiation.

 

[smoneil]

To BUF:
Krebs
Lundkvist
Jones
Georgiev
1st(s)?

To VGK:
Strome
Olofsson

To NYR:
Eichel w/retained
Smith

just spitballin, it seems off, trying to force it to work. Dont see Vegas doing it but they would get a center and a younger 'controllable' RW.

If Vegas is giving up Krebs and Smith for Strome and Olofsson, I'd say the hell with Eichel, find a player equivalent to Olofsson, and trade for Krebs.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

There’s going to be a first going back to Arizona in any Dvorak deal. They are rebuilding and a) they need the pick and b) they need the perception they won the trade. So far they have moved a lot of freight and gotten back firsts for Garland/OEL and Kuemper. They will move Kessel at the deadline to maximize return.

Oh I don’t doubt they’ll get a 1st. I’m just hoping it isn’t from us.

 

[smoneil]

Not on this planet especially for a player that did not show up much in the last 20 games. I am just amazed how much we over rate our own players, under rate other teams players and think anyone over 27 is washed up.

I agree that "unstoppable" is too strong. "Didn't show up much in the last 20 games" and "overrated" is equally too strong in the opposite direction. Chytil had 11 points in the final 20 games. In six of those games, he was played for 12 minutes or less. Quinn buried him in his quest for a playoff spot, even though the kid line was producing in many of those games.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

There goes Carp talking about Kreider switching to the off-wing again.

This guy doesnt know the game very well.

Panarin and others who play on their off-wings at the NHL level are tremendous puck handlers.

Being able to shoot with power on the off wing, whether or not it's off your "wrong foot" like Roenick always did isn't really the issue.

The issue is about in the defensive zone on breakouts. As a winger you are on the wall on exits and it's a lot easier picking up the puck on your forehand if you are a RHS on the RW or LHS on the LW. It's easier to get twisted around on your skates in the wrong position on your off wing exits if you haven't done it for a long time and dont have tremendous hands.

Kreider is less adept at doing that. Panarin has no issues because his hands are ridiculous noodles and he's played on his off-wing basically his whole career.

That's why I think you'll see Kreids on the 3rd line LW, and honestly a line of Kreider-Goodrow-Chytil or with Chytil in the middle will be a pretty strong, heavy line that can forecheck well and potentially shut down some big lines on the road if Gallant/Goodrow can help mold Chytil into that type of player as he develops. It lengthens the bench and deepens the team.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

There goes Carp talking about Kreider switching to the off-wing again.

This guy doesnt know the game very well.

Panarin and others who play on their off-wings at the NHL level are tremendous puck handlers.

Being able to shoot with power on the off wing, whether or not it's off your "wrong foot" like Roenick always did isn't really the issue.

The issue is about in the defensive zone on breakouts. As a winger you are on the wall on exits and it's a lot easier picking up the puck on your forehand if you are a RHS on the RW or LHS on the LW. It's easier to get twisted around on your skates in the wrong position on your off wing exits if you haven't done it for a long time and dont have tremendous hands.

Kreider is less adept at doing that. Panarin has no issues because his hands are ridiculous noodles and he's played on his off-wing basically his whole career.

That's why I think you'll see Kreids on the 3rd line LW, and honestly a line of Kreider-Goodrow-Chytil or with Chytil in the middle will be a pretty strong, heavy line that can forecheck well and potentially shut down some big lines on the road if Gallant/Goodrow can help mold Chytil into that type of player as he develops.

Carp is a moron.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

There goes Carp talking about Kreider switching to the off-wing again.

This guy doesnt know the game very well.

Panarin and others who play on their off-wings at the NHL level are tremendous puck handlers.

Being able to shoot with power on the off wing, whether or not it's off your "wrong foot" like Roenick always did isn't really the issue.

The issue is about in the defensive zone on breakouts. As a winger you are on the wall on exits and it's a lot easier picking up the puck on your forehand if you are a RHS on the RW or LHS on the LW. It's easier to get twisted around on your skates in the wrong position on your off wing exits if you haven't done it for a long time and dont have tremendous hands.

Kreider is less adept at doing that. Panarin has no issues because his hands are ridiculous noodles and he's played on his off-wing basically his whole career.

That's why I think you'll see Kreids on the 3rd line LW, and honestly a line of Kreider-Goodrow-Chytil or with Chytil in the middle will be a pretty strong, heavy line that can forecheck well and potentially shut down some big lines on the road if Gallant/Goodrow can help mold Chytil into that type of player as he develops.

100%, this is why it has always looked bad when it was attempted. I don’t see it changing now and would be extremely surprised if Kreider to RW goes well this camp/season. Losing even a half step in the neutral zone using his backhand to accept passes can really impact his game.

 

[smoneil]

Not if you want to keep them.

And you wouldn't want to get rid of them unless they make a Glass of themselves.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Welp, now that Eichel is clearly not being traded. Jersey is in the mail guys.

 

[gravey9]

I agree that "unstoppable" is too strong. "Didn't show up much in the last 20 games" and "overrated" is equally too strong in the opposite direction. Chytil had 11 points in the final 20 games. In six of those games, he was played for 12 minutes or less. Quinn buried him in his quest for a playoff spot, even though the kid line was producing in many of those games.

Yeah, but half of us overrate other players and underrate our players. it goes both ways. If you look at some of the offers for Jack Eichel you'd think we didn't have a single first round pick in the last decade.

 

[Fitzy]

Speaking of stickhandling, I think Lafreniere is more likely to be able to make the apt switch the RW than Kreider, eventually.

I know he fashions himself as an outside playmaker, but his shot is tremendous.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

100%, this is why it has always looked bad when it was attempted. I don’t see it changing now and would be extremely surprised if Kreider to RW goes well this camp/season. Losing even a half step in the neutral zone using his backhand to accept passes can really impact his game.

I'm usually not one to get on journalists, but he literally mentions this EVERY chance he gets. He is looking at names, contracts and tenure in regards to the lineup and thinks of how it will help in the offensive zone.

But the off-wing stuff is something you really only understand if you've played, coached, been around/watched the game for a long time and understand whats going on.

I know not every writer for every sport is a complete expert on the game they are covering but it's annoying that premium hockey coverage is literally non-existent for the Rangers. Especially for hockey, which isnt very popular. You would think you would have some specialized writers. And its all behind a pay-wall nonetheless. Its pathetic.

I wasnt the only one who commented on that same point either. We continue to point it out.

If you can't get any inside info or dirt on the Rangers now, its understandable. Things have changed. But for God's sake give us someone that knows the game.

Kreider, I think, would also benefit from shooting from his off-wing, his stick blade and the puck toward the middle of the ice, rather than toward the left wall. I’ve always felt that playing your off-wing can be a great weapon. Panarin, a righty playing the left, sure seems to do OK that way, no?

Rangers offseason depth chart 3.0: How will Chris Drury further shake up the roster?

 

[HyperX]

If the last couple weeks have shown us anything is that no one knows what Drury is going to do

so I’m skeptical Vally has some sort of inside info

I wouldnt be so sure

though if true, its very unprofessional.. well, maybe not unprofessional, but certainly lacking social awareness to tweet that without knowledge

Devils twitter as well as team reporter was trolling the day prior and of Hamilton, even before a deal was hashed out. They knew they had him, and I assume Valiquette i the same

if not , again, thats f***ed up by him

 

[HyperX]

Speaking of stickhandling, I think Lafreniere is more likely to be able to make the apt switch the RW than Kreider, eventually.

I know he fashions himself as an outside playmaker, but his shot is tremendous.

Lafreniere is too good to have switching sides, if he hasn't done so his entire career thus far. You want your 1st overall in his best position to succeed

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

What the f*** lol

If Trouba got 8x7 in 2019, then this kind of makes sense.

 

[smoneil]

Yeah, but half of us overrate other players and underrate our players. it goes both ways. If you look at some of the offers for Jack Eichel you'd think we didn't have a single first round pick in the last decade.

Yeah, but you can only count Bern once.

Those threads wouldn't have been such a mess if the folks that didn't want Eichel just stopped making counter-proposals. I honestly don't see Buffalo and the Rangers as good trade partners. They need/want what we have in short supply (young centers and RWs) or are unwilling to give up (Laf). We have an excess of prospects, but at Buffalo's deepest position (D). Even if Buffalo didn't want to send him West and even if Drury was all about Eichel, this would be a difficult deal to find common ground.

 

[smoneil]

I'm usually not one to get on journalists, but he literally mentions this EVERY chance he gets. He is looking at names, contracts and tenure in regards to the lineup and thinks of how it will help in the offensive zone.

But the off-wing stuff is something you really only understand if you've played, coached, been around/watched the game for a long time and understand whats going on.

I know not every writer for every sport is a complete expert on the game they are covering but it's annoying that premium hockey coverage is literally non-existent for the Rangers. Especially for hockey, which isnt very popular. You would think you would have some specialized writers. And its all behind a pay-wall nonetheless. Its pathetic.

I wasnt the only one who commented on that same point either. We continue to point it out.

If you can't get any inside info or dirt on the Rangers now, its understandable. Things have changed. But for God's sake give us someone that knows the game.



Rangers offseason depth chart 3.0: How will Chris Drury further shake up the roster?

I literally cancelled my Athletic subscription yesterday, and Carp's non-stories are the reason why. It was one thing when it was a dollar a month. For eight bucks? I'd rather buy a few cups of coffee.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I literally cancelled my Athletic subscription yesterday, and Carp's non-stories are the reason why. It was one thing when it was a dollar a month. For eight bucks? I'd rather buy a few cups of coffee.

Plan to cancel mine for the exact same reason. I don't get how they employ him, he clearly hates his job.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I literally cancelled my Athletic subscription yesterday, and Carp's non-stories are the reason why. It was one thing when it was a dollar a month. For eight bucks? I'd rather buy a few cups of coffee.

Same here. Canceled mined a few weeks back . Carp is a complete idiot. I'd truthfully would MUCH rather Brooks land that gig.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I do wonder if “giving Kreider a shot on RW” is as much a service to a respected vet as anything else.

 

[Thirty One]

I literally cancelled my Athletic subscription yesterday, and Carp's non-stories are the reason why. It was one thing when it was a dollar a month. For eight bucks? I'd rather buy a few cups of coffee.

Actually, they have a deal on now.

 

[bigdog16]

I literally cancelled my Athletic subscription yesterday, and Carp's non-stories are the reason why. It was one thing when it was a dollar a month. For eight bucks? I'd rather buy a few cups of coffee.

Plan to cancel mine for the exact same reason. I don't get how they employ him, he clearly hates his job.

Same here. Canceled mined a few weeks back . Carp is a complete idiot. I'd truthfully would MUCH rather Brooks land that gig.

Cancelled mine last week

 

[EdJovanovski]

People actually pay for the Athletic?