Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[noupf]

Dvorak is much much better than people are giving him credit for. He's a goal scorer as well which fits perfectly with our wingers.

A potential 2C / guaranteed middle6C is worth a 1st imo. Jones and a couple of 2nds/3rds may get it done but I'd be willing to pay up on the 1st.

I don't think he's a much better player than people are giving him credit for, but I do think that he's an OK 2nd line center on a playoff team and more likely a very good 3rd line center on a contender. I will say that I agree that being on a team like the coyotes, with a less than stellar roster, it could have hampered his point production.

I think the reason he is an option for the NYR is that he is 3 years younger than Strome , cheaper in terms of dollars and puts up almost the same number of points per game as strome......again, on a less than stellar coyote roster. Will he perform better with better players here in NY, possibly.

Strome has gelled here and has found his game it seems, but its going to cost the Rangers in terms of a huge raise and a long contract. Is that smart to do? IDK

If you trade strome and bring in Dvorak, the theory is that he is younger, cheaper and COULD get even better than Stromes point production.....and whatever we send to Arizona in a trade for Dvorak, we could likely recoup in a Strome trade.

I think its really a matter of what direction does the club want to go..... and what the cost is. A 1st and a lesser prospect, i'd be on board with it. A 2nd and a very good prospect, sure.

When its all said and done.......does a Dvorak / Strome trade make us a better team? I'm leaning towards possibly yes.

 

[effen]

I'd echo that Kakko will be a vastly better player as he adds man strength and will peak around 24-25.

 

[mas0764]

If we need a substantial upgrade at center I'd rather the rangers figure that out next year. We have a Strome trade we're waiting on and I think that's about it for moves this offseason.

To win a Cup, this team will need

1) a better player than Strome at 2C (even if not as many points, definitely a better all around player),
2) A player roughly equal to present-day Mika
3) Kakko and Lafreniere to develop into line-carring stars, which will likely take until a time that Mika is no longer present-day Mika
4) Chytil to continue to develop into a top-6 staple.

I don't think this team can really win a Cup in the next 2 years. Too many young pieces. Too many guys still developing (Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Lundkvist). The win-now pieces are Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, Fox, but there's not enough quality depth ON the roster. It's still developing.

By time the rest of the pieces are win-ready I don't think Kreider and Zibanejad will be line carrying or team-carrying pieces anymore.

So I think we really need 2 centers still. Substantial upgrades to what we have on hand currently, or will have by time we are truly ready to compete.

It's a tall ask. Would have been easier to address earlier.

 

[GAGLine]

So, to further clarify what GAGLine is saying there, the new CBA also included a cap on escrow. This could be paid back faster very easily, but the players didn't want to lose so much money all at once. It's better for them (and their budgeting, which even NHL players have and we can all relate to) to spread it out. Frankly, the players had the owners up against the wall a bit with this, because the owners knew that if they didn't come to an agreement, they were in danger of losing the season and that would've had a significant negative impact on the pending new TV contracts. The players had just a little bit of power (for a chance) and leveraged it to dictate the way they wanted this to go.

NHL executives fret over season ticket sales as players' payroll deficit hits $1 billion, signalling flat-cap future

Good article on the current financial outlook.

 

[effen]

Dvorak has never even hit 40 points, where are people getting he produces as much as Strome and may outproduce him? What lmao

 

[CLW]

He paces 19g/82 and doesn't seem to like shooting much. I suspect he'd have people yelling SHOOOOT within 30 games. Not what I'd call a goal scorer.

He looks like a worse Brock Nelson who we already know doesn't move the needle.

Dvorak is unreal in shootouts.

 

[McRanger92]

Jones, Georgiev and a 1st.



Get it done.

Recoup some assets with Strome... maybe get a 1st from Minn.

It solidifies our top9 centers if/when Mika is re-signed. Dvorak can play anywhere in the middle 6

Hard Pass. Trading the equivalent of 2 1st for a marginally upgrade (at best) over Strome would be an awful move

 

[noupf]

Dvorak has never even hit 40 points, where are people getting he produces as much as Strome and may outproduce him? What lmao

do the math, points total divided by total games played. Discount a few points the past two seasons due to Strome playing with Panarin and you have very similar point totals from a guy who will likely get better on a better team and a better supporting cast.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I think it's steal-adjacent.

Yeah I think it would be a true steal if the term was slightly less, maybe 6 years.

 

[NYR Viper]

He paces 19g/82 and doesn't seem to like shooting much. I suspect he'd have people yelling SHOOOOT within 30 games. Not what I'd call a goal scorer.

He looks like a worse Brock Nelson who we already know doesn't move the needle.

If you look at the last two seasons and extrapolate out, he paces for about 23 goals per 82 games playing on bad Arizona teams at age 23 and 24.

Dvorak has never even hit 40 points, where are people getting he produces as much as Strome and may outproduce him? What lmao

So this is one of those things, again, where we should use p/82 more than point totals.

2 years ago, Dvorak was pacing for 45 points over 82 games

This year in a shortened season, he was pacing for 45 points in 82 games.


This isn't directed at you but something I think needs to be mentioned:
If the expectation is to find a player who is both good defensively, matches his offensive production prior to playing with Panarin, is good on faceoffs, young and on a sweetheart of a contract to replace Strome, we all need to understand that may be nearly impossible to find and if we do, the cost will be multiple 1st's + Kravtsov + Robertson/Jones. The Rangers won't be getting that type of player for the rumored cost of Dvorak.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

 

[noupf]

god damn it

 

[NYR Viper]

I feel like this is a troll job

 

[Fitzy]

Don't get baited into wasting your weekend because Vally is bored.

 

[mas0764]

If Lias hadn't busted, we'd all be chilling around a outdoor BBQ patio in a rented summer house in the Malibus sipping fruity drinks having a time chatting about how amazing our center depth is but instead here we are.

If Lias had developed into a 60 point defensively capable center, things would look much better, yes.

 

[NYR]

Uh boy. It's about to go down...

 

[CLW]

Hard Pass. Trading the equivalent of 2 1st for a marginally upgrade (at best) over Strome would be an awful move

Except Dvorak is not an upcoming UFA, on a good contract, better at playing C properly (two-way hockey, faceoffs). Strome is better in the offensive zone but will cost too much for what he brings and has a leg outside the org already. If Gallant can finally make a Strome play two way hockey AND he signs a reasonable contract then there's a place for Ryan, but those are big IFs.

 

[duhmetreE]

Strome with bottom6ers @ 25 years old

Dvorak with bottom6ers @ 24 years old

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[GAGLine]

Dvorak has never even hit 40 points, where are people getting he produces as much as Strome and may outproduce him? What lmao

No one on Arizona puts up points. If Strome's numbers are inflated due to playing with Panarin, then Dvorak's numbers are likely deflated due to playing in Arizona.

This past year, Dvorak had 19 points at even strength, while Strome had 29. Significant difference, but given the context, it's probably closer than it appears.

Dvorak is 3 years younger. At the same age, Strome put up 34 points in 82 games.

Dvorak is used regularly on the PK. Strome is not.

Strome has a 4.5 mil cap hit this year and will want more on his next contract. Dvorak has a 4.45 mil cap hit for the next 4 years.

I don't know if replacing Strome with Dvorak will be worth the acquisition cost, but there are many other reasons why Dvorak makes more sense.

 

[noupf]

Strome with bottom6ers @ 25 years old



Dvorak with bottom6ers @ 24 years old

.....( hey, what do these charts mean )?

 

[effen]

4/18 at 24 for a guy who never cracked 20 goals or 40 points is not a sweetheart contract, it's market price when counting his non-counting stat attributes.

I can't speak to his defense and faceoffs are nice but he looks very much like a lateral move off Strome, albeit younger with a few more tools in the toolkit. I don't think that at market price is worth a 1st in a loaded draft, at least not at this juncture. Maybe if we have a rash of C injuries.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I disagree, why even bother having a cap to begin with? I don't like luxury taxes or franchise player crap, it basically makes the playing field uneven again. Like Toronto for example, they gave out dumb contracts, they should have to deal with them, letting them off the hook for paying players too much which increased salaries league wide would hurt teams that cant afford to spend like that. For example, team A pays a a guy 15 mill in his contract, comparables now say thats what a player like him is worth, they franchise him and its like it never happened, team b has a similar player who wasnt drafted by them, what do they have to pay him? It just screws teams that cant use that mechanism

How is not being able to pay your young players what they are worth also not uneven? I'm not talking about signing free agent contracts. I'm talking about being able to sign guys you have invested millions of dollars into developing to fair contracts. Free agency mistakes are what they are. That teams are punished because they picked at the top of the draft is insane. Doing this would allow all teams to more easily keep the players they have invested time and money in while allowing them to build a team around it. Force teams to draft and identify talent better. There's no cap on scouting.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Didn't Valley have another tweet drop recently that turned out to be dog shit?

 

[Off Sides]

I just don't see the Rangers going into next season with whatever is left over of the ~12-13M they have in cap space, after they extend Shesty, assuming that happens.

I feel like there has to be more to this off-season, Eichel or something else.

(I know there are longer term consequences, speaking just about this up coming season, Rangers going in with even 4-5M extra space does not seem normal)

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Woke up with neck pain this morning…it’s a sign