Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

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I would have happily given up our 2021 1st+ for Dvorak.

not tossing away that 2022 lottery ticket for him just yet.

Jones and both 2nds
I would say either Jones and a 2nd or two 2nds.

Although I'm not crazy about Dvorak. Good player but I feel like Strome and Chytil >> Dvorak and Chytil as our middle 6 centers and I'm not even that big a fan of Strome.

He's not worth a 1st and a top prospect or more. Even if you're head over heels for the player, he's not worth that in a fair trade.
 
I would say either Jones and a 2nd or two 2nds.

Although I'm not crazy about Dvorak. Good player but I feel like Strome and Chytil >> Dvorak and Chytil as our middle 6 centers and I'm not even that big a fan of Strome.

He’s absolutely better than Strome. Or at the very least, more diverse than Strome.

I wouldn’t necessarily feel forced into making this deal either though. There are going to be many options which will be made available to us in the next year.
 
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He’s absolutely better than Strome. Or at the very least, more diverse than Strome.

I wouldn’t necessarily feel forced into making this deal either though. There are going to be many options which will be made available to us in the next year.
Who are you thinking about?
 
Nope, players in other leagues gave up last year's earnings to cover the last year. This is, again, what I'm trying to tell you. The NHL isn't handling this poorly, they just handled it differently.
Maybe my issue is with the CBA or the anti-trust exemption itself. But it seems to me that a one year hit in revenue shouldn’t have a five year knock-on effect. Even if it’s just digesting the one-year hit, as you say. Something isn’t right.
 
The NFL and NBA and MLB also faced the same challenges, yet somehow they have avoided poverty. It’s not just a matter of covid either. What were they doing for the preceding years…
Most big corporations now are able to shell out to keep their best talent because they want to.
I remember the MLB collusion days and I’m just wondering if this isn’t a similar thing. Maybe ownership is seeing a crisis as an opportunity to suppress salaries.
I don’t know, just saying.

The NHL has always been more dependent on gate receipts than those other leagues, so they were hit harder by not having fans. The new US TV deals help, but are currently offset by the pandemic. The NHL can't magically make networks pay more for their product, but it has been trending in a positive direction for years. Look where the cap was in 2005 and where it is now. Revenues have doubled and would be even higher if not for the pandemic. The NHL made a mistake by doing a 10 year deal with NBC. It should have been shorter, so they could cash in on the league's growth sooner. So if there is any criticism to be leveled their way, it is that. They only gave ESPN and TNT 7 year deals, which is probably still a little longer than is ideal, but 7 years from now, the league will be able to sign even larger deals. And the Canadian broadcast deal ends in 2025, giving them another opportunity to increase non-gate revenue. The less dependent the NHL becomes on gate-money, the stronger the league will be.

That's why the NFL is so strong. They only play 16 games a year, but their broadcast deals are crazy.

National Football League on television - Wikipedia

Until the broadcast contract ended in 2013, the terrestrial television networks CBS, NBC, and Fox, as well as cable television's ESPN, paid a combined total of US$20.4 billion[1] to broadcast NFL games. From 2014 to 2022, the same networks will pay $39.6 billion for exactly the same broadcast rights.

Nearly 40 billion in broadcast money every year. Pre-pandemic, the NHL was at about 5 billion in total revenue, between broadcast rights, gate receipts, etc. There is no comparison. If you are going to look at the NFL and say that the NHL should be doing just as well, that isn't fair. Like it or not, the NHL isn't the top sport in the US and probably never will be.

The NBA is closer to the NHL in terms of popularity and revenue, but still ahead.

NBA Announces 9-Year Extension With ESPN, Turner, Through 2025

The NBA has officially announced a new nine year television deal with ESPN and Turner Sports that will begin in the 2016-17 season and last through 2024-25. The parties did not disclose financial terms, but the deal is reported to be worth $2.6 or $2.7 billion per year — up nearly 200% from the current level of $930 million.

I couldn't find an exact breakdown of the NHL's deal with Rogers, but the later years are reported to pay 500 mil per year, with earlier years starting at 300 mil. That deal began in 2013, so the league should be seeing close to 500 mil per year at this point.

ESPN and Turner Sports to take over NHL broadcast

  • ESPN will pay $2.8 billion over seven years for the league's "A" package, which includes four Stanley Cup Finals. And yes, the theme song is coming back.
  • Turner will pay $1.57 billion over seven years for the "B" package. Games will be televised on TNT and TBS, and HBO Max will reportedly be included in some capacity.
That's about 620 mil per year, which brings the total broadcast revenue to about 1.1 billion per year. That's the national money. I have no idea how much local broadcasters, like MSG and NESN, pay, but I would assume it's not near enough to close the gap with the NBA.

All the NHL can do is keep improving the product and increasing revenues, but those other leagues are doing the same thing, so they likelihood that the NHL surpasses any of them is pretty slim.
 
Maybe my issue is with the CBA or the anti-trust exemption itself. But it seems to me that a one year hit in revenue shouldn’t have a five year knock-on effect. Even if it’s just digesting the one-year hit, as you say. Something isn’t right.

Players and owners split revenue 50/50. The players got paid their full salaries last year (minus 20% escrow) and the cap stayed the same, despite the huge loss in revenues. It takes time to pay back that money. Could they do it faster? Sure, they could have increased escrow to 30 or 40%, but the lower amount is what was agreed to by both parties. There's nothing shady going on here.
 
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They need to figure out something else to help teams along. For years I have been saying there should be a modified cap where teams can sign a player that they either drafted or who played 2+ years on an ELC with them to a higher money amount and a lower cap hit. This is the only league where teams are punished for drafting well and developing good young players.
 
He’s absolutely better than Strome. Or at the very least, more diverse than Strome.

I wouldn’t necessarily feel forced into making this deal either though. There are going to be many options which will be made available to us in the next year.
Yeah, he's definitely more of a well rounded player. I just don't think he's the guy to be giving up significant assets for at this time. If we can get him on a fair deal, sure, but if not I wouldn't force a move. Keep Strom/Chytil as the middle 6 Centers and keep your options open in case someone becomes available.
 
Who are you thinking about?

The UFA class next year is pretty loaded at the position.

Some of those players exist on really bad teams or just won't be re-signed. Hertl, Couturier, Trochek (we wouldn't trade for him since they wouldn't trade him here, but I doubt he extends in Carolina), and everyone's ultimate Hail Mary in Barkov. Not to mention the trade options that are available now and the ones that will end up opening up in 12 months.
 
The UFA class next year is pretty loaded at the position.

Some of those players exist on really bad teams or just won't be re-signed. Hertl, Couturier, Trochek (we wouldn't trade for him since they wouldn't trade him here, but I doubt he extends in Carolina), and everyone's ultimate Hail Mary in Barkov. Not to mention the trade options that are available now and the ones that will end up opening up in 12 months.
That's a major risk.

Signing one of them UFAs means Zibs is all but gone. Barkov is the only exception here ( as in preference to re-upping Zibs ) and I can't see Florida just letting him walk.
 
I would say either Jones and a 2nd or two 2nds.

Although I'm not crazy about Dvorak. Good player but I feel like Strome and Chytil >> Dvorak and Chytil as our middle 6 centers and I'm not even that big a fan of Strome.

He's not worth a 1st and a top prospect or more. Even if you're head over heels for the player, he's not worth that in a fair trade.
Dvorak is much much better than people are giving him credit for. He's a goal scorer as well which fits perfectly with our wingers.

A potential 2C / guaranteed middle6C is worth a 1st imo. Jones and a couple of 2nds/3rds may get it done but I'd be willing to pay up on the 1st.
 
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He is not worth Jones and a 1st. Please go reference what Reinhart just returned. What Buchnevich just returned. Please.
reference what position they play

Reinhart got a 1st? I don't know what you're talking about. He wanted out and is about to get paid as well

Dvorak is borderline2C/middle6C locked up at phenomenal value.
 
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Maybe my issue is with the CBA or the anti-trust exemption itself. But it seems to me that a one year hit in revenue shouldn’t have a five year knock-on effect. Even if it’s just digesting the one-year hit, as you say. Something isn’t right.
I agree that pandemics aren't right. Finally someone had the guts to say it.
 

I know Pelech is a really good defender but I see people in the replies acting like that contract is a steal. Idk, it starts when he's 27, so it will take him to 35 and while he's a great shutdown defender, he doesn't contribute any offense at all. I don't think it's a bad contract, but a steal? I would've though the AAV would be a bit lower at that term.
 
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I know Pelech is a really good defender but I see people in the replies acting like that contract is a steal. Idk, it starts when he's 27, so it will take him to 35 and while he's a great shutdown defender, he doesn't contribute any offense at all. I don't think it's a bad contract, but a steal? I would've though the AAV would be a bit lower at that term.
I think it's steal-adjacent.
 
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