Obviously. But Boston laughs at that.
They probably ask for Horvat + Pettersson + a #1 pick for him. The guy was just a top-10 goalscorer in the NHL at age 20. His trade value is utterly massive, as high as anyone in the NHL short of Mathews/McDavid/Eichel/Laine.
Obviously. But Boston laughs at that.
They probably ask for Horvat + Pettersson + a #1 pick for him. The guy was just a top-10 goalscorer in the NHL at age 20. His trade value is utterly massive, as high as anyone in the NHL short of Mathews/McDavid/Eichel/Laine.
I wouldn't be surprised if you could get it done with something close to Horvat one for one, actually. All teams love big, two-way centres. Even if Bo's two-way game is pretty much a myth at this point. Plus "leadership qualities," "future captain," yadayadayada.
I wouldn't be surprised if you could get it done with something close to Horvat one for one, actually. All teams love big, two-way centres. Even if Bo's two-way game is pretty much a myth at this point. Plus "leadership qualities," "future captain," yadayadayada.
If there's anyway possible for Vancouver to grab Pastranak... we have to do it.
Seguin scored 67 in 82 as a 19 year old the year before Boston traded.
i agree with this
pastrnak is a more valuable player than bo horvat right now and is younger. id make that trade instantly if thats all they wanted
Do you guys think Nilsson will be challenging Markstrom for the starting job?
I think in terms of value in a vacuum or to many other teams, absolutely. I think Bo is too valuable to Vancouver moving forward, I can't see myself trading him for a scoring winger, even an exceptional one.
bo has a value that is equal to his value. hes not worth more or less to any specific team
bo has a value that is equal to his value. hes not worth more or less to any specific team
Get where you're going with this, but nah, not to that extent.
A player inherently has more value to a team with a serious dearth of talent in a position. Without getting into "Sutter will be a beast when he isn't stuck behind Crosby/Malkin" logic, Bo is simply more valuable to the Canucks than the Penguins. This concept probably holds more true when taking into consideration cap hit.
At the same time, if Horvat has less value than Pastrnak in a vacuum, positional needs are never a reason to not make that trade. You acquire the most valuable pieces and deal with roster management to optimize value later.
a players value ultimately is the maximum of [utility to team, market value]. because of the point in your second paragraph, i dont really consider the first
thats maybe pedantic; practically speaking you are correct
edit: gave it more thought in the shower and there are two situations where it leads to weird conclusions
A: the canucks have a deal on the table where they're trading some collection of stuff for david pastrnak, say value v. this deal is almost dead even for both teams. suddenly a screaming deal happens where we move brock boeser for a non-winger return. if the team in the pastrnak deal decided ok nah you gotta give us 1.2v for pastrnak now, should we do it because we suddenly have a dearth of winger talent?
B: we're a decent team thats a virtual lock for the playoffs. the deadline passes and boston suddenly panics because pastrnak met a citizen of their filthy racist city and doesnt want to live there anymore. they offer pastrnak for gagner or some mediocre roster player and maybe a pick if you care about full realism. pastrnak at this time has zero value to us - he cant play in the playoffs and we're a lock to make it. if we care about or consider pastrnaks immediate value to us, we wouldn't make the trade - which would be an insane decision
so ultimately, if considering that value leads you to crazy decision making unless you make decisions off of my original point, why consider it in the first place?
The point moreso applies though if there are dumb character based external factors - like a PK Subban situation - where the value of the player is certainly not diminished in reality, but may be perceived to be, both on the ice and in the market. In that case, an 70 point defenseman is a 70 point defenseman, regardless of if they hot dog after goals or go to sleep at 9:30 on off days. So if your original point was that Bo shouldn't be paid more because of a supposed character premium on a team void of future leaders, I agree.
it wasnt. it was simply that i think pastrnak contributes more utility than horvat and i would make the trade even if my centre depth was literally horvat - stewart - me - a corpse - a hole in the ice
i would also basically always trade the worse player for the better player, independent of position, because hockey is a strong link game and having a bunch of 10s and a bunch of 2s is better than a team full of 6s. this point is, however, independent of the other discussion
bo has a value that is equal to his value. hes not worth more or less to any specific team
You DO realize that Sutter can not realistically be considered as adding value to any deal that he's apart of right?
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"Oh yah Jimbo? You wanna trade me a 3rd/4th line tweener and his 4.375M with NTC/modified NTC until 21-22 contract?"
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Not gonna happen.
Sutter will be a Canuck till the bitter bitter end.
Besides, we don't need wingers. We need centers!!!