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Rick Nash Part II

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No, you guys are too much "what have you done for me lately"

+ we would probably pay part of the salary anyway and good luck replacing his in season production ...
 
Ail said:
I'm sure everyone is feeling this sentiment right now, but it is very misguided.

Yes, we can all agree Nash did not come through when we needed him to the most, but last night he was one ****ing stick shaft away from winning it in OT and being a legend/hero. Voynov makes a great (lucky) play and saves the game. He's the hero instead.

Without Rick Nash there were no playoffs this year, and although he did not come through on the score sheet he had a good playoffs. Sometimes you need guys who step it up in the regular season just as much as you need guys who step it up in the playoffs. Hagelin was a beast, McD was amazing, Boyle was awesome, MSL was pretty good, Stralman was excellent, Henrik was Henrik. Optimally you want all of your big names to play big all year round, but not everyone is cut out for the tight hockey in the playoffs.

Lastly, Rick Nash gifted quite a few players free goals that they could not finish on the entire post-season. That's not on him.

IMHO, **** the haters because Rick Nash helped turn this team in to a top possession in the league squad and the Rangers are better with him than without. "OMG NO Goalzzzz!! 7.8 milllz11!!" doesn't even remotely come close to telling the whole story.
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This is a well said post. I thought Nash was going to be the hero on that open net. I'm still shaking realizing it didn't go in.
 
DelZottoHitTheNetJK said:
No

I trade for/sign a legitimate first line center for Nash to play with. It's been our #1 glarigng weakness for a very long time
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If Nash needs somebody better than Derek Stepan to score goals in the ****ing playoffs, then Rick Nash isn't that good. If Nash scores in the laSt 25 games, Stepan looks like a number 1c with his very solid play all series.

Stepan played just as well as Nash did but without making 7 million dollars.
 
NJBlueShirt said:
The unwavering Nash supporters act is getting worse by the day. What stats are showing he did anything to increase the teams win expectancy/total this post season?

His playoff PDO was 98.9, which is not good and puts him at 73 out of 107 eligible players in the playoffs.

His Corsi (as a %) was 51.5%, had a -7.2% relative GF%, and a 47.4% GF%... all of these important advanced stats but in him the bottom half of the eligible players in the playoffs. That just screams successful and helping the team win in the postseason.
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Look friend!

Just because general statistics, advanced statistics, and the naked eye lead one to believe Rick Nash isn't worth Henrik Lundqvist's jock strap doesn't mean...
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
This is a well said post. I thought Nash was going to be the hero on that open net. I'm still shaking realizing it didn't go in.
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The true heroes have never found a way to overcome a similar situation.

For instance, I laugh to this day about Messier's "guarantee" when the Devils were on fire and most of the hockey community was against us going into game 6 facing elimination in Jersey against a team that would be a virtual dynasty from 1995-2004.

It's all a matter of luck I'm afraid. Legends are not born, made, or persevere. It's just a matter of a bounce.
 
If Nash was the Nash that we saw on 3/21 @ Columbus throughout the entire playoffs, the Rangers easily get out of the other rounds quicker, are more rested, and win this series in 5 or 6. That's how much of an impact I feel his sucking had.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
The true heroes have never found a way to overcome a similar situation.

For instance, I laugh to this day about Messier's "guarantee" when the Devils were on fire and most of the hockey community was against us going into game 6 facing elimination in Jersey against a team that would be a virtual dynasty from 1995-2004.

It's all a matter of luck I'm afraid. Legends are not born, made, or persevere. It's just a matter of a bounce.
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First of all comparing Messier to Nash is ridiculous.

Second, Matteau is a Rangers legend because a bounce went in his favor. Rick Nash was the same bad bounce away from winning his own double OT. Amazing how the perspective changes when the puck doesn't go in.
 
Ail said:
I'm sure everyone is feeling this sentiment right now, but it is very misguided.

Yes, we can all agree Nash did not come through when we needed him to the most, but last night he was one ****ing stick shaft away from winning it in OT and being a legend/hero. Voynov makes a great (lucky) play and saves the game. He's the hero instead.

Without Rick Nash there were no playoffs this year, and although he did not come through on the score sheet he had a good playoffs. Sometimes you need guys who step it up in the regular season just as much as you need guys who step it up in the playoffs. Hagelin was a beast, McD was amazing, Boyle was awesome, MSL was pretty good, Stralman was excellent, Henrik was Henrik. Optimally you want all of your big names to play big all year round, but not everyone is cut out for the tight hockey in the playoffs.

Lastly, Rick Nash gifted quite a few players free goals that they could not finish on the entire post-season. That's not on him.

IMHO, **** the haters because Rick Nash helped turn this team in to a top possession in the league squad and the Rangers are better with him than without. "OMG NO Goalzzzz!! 7.8 milllz11!!" doesn't even remotely come close to telling the whole story.
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Tanner Pearson looked more like Rick Nash than Rick Nash did this series. Let that sink in. A bunch of rookies were able to elevate their games better than Rick Nash in the playoffs.

I actually like Nash, too. But the man wilts under pressure like nobody I've ever seen.
 
Ail said:
First of all comparing Messier to Nash is ridiculous.

Second, Matteau is a Rangers legend because a bounce went in his favor. Rick Nash was the same bad bounce away from winning his own double OT. Amazing how the perspective changes when the puck doesn't go in.
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First of all Matteau played great defense too in the 1994 run like Rick Nash.

Second of all, Matteau must have gotten lucky twice for both of his OT goals in the ECF in 1994.

Third, my reference to Messier was an example of a true hero, and how those heroes find their destiny. It's not just luck.
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
If Nash needs somebody better than Derek Stepan to score goals in the ****ing playoffs, then Rick Nash isn't that good. If Nash scores in the laSt 25 games, Stepan looks like a number 1c with his very solid play all series.

Stepan played just as well as Nash did but without making 7 million dollars.
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I like Stepan's game, but let's be real here, offensively this kid did next to nothing the entire playoffs to generate prime scoring chances. Almost every time he would make a spectacular defensive play he would screw it up on the rush. I've never seen someone flub or single-handedly destroy odd-man rushes as much as he did. Aside from the goal against Montreal (that Rick Nash finished on) they were absolutely ****ing god awful on odd-man rushes. Stepan is just as much to blame for that as Rick Nash and Chris Kreider.
 
Ail said:
First of all comparing Messier to Nash is ridiculous.

Second, Matteau is a Rangers legend because a bounce went in his favor. Rick Nash was the same bad bounce away from winning his own double OT. Amazing how the perspective changes when the puck doesn't go in.
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He missed the shot because it was weak and slow.
He was brutal the entire playoffs.
Almost every shift he played was pathetic.
PATHETIC!
 
Ail said:
I like Stepan's game, but let's be real here, offensively this kid did next to nothing the entire playoffs to generate prime scoring chances. Almost every time he would make a spectacular defensive play he would screw it up on the rush. I've never seen someone flub or single-handedly destroy odd-man rushes as much as he did. Aside from the goal against Montreal (that Rick Nash finished on) they were absolutely ****ing god awful on odd-man rushes. Stepan is just as much to blame for that as Rick Nash and Chris Kreider.
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To me, Stepan is an EXCELLENT 2C not a 1C.
 
Ail said:
I like Stepan's game, but let's be real here, offensively this kid did next to nothing the entire playoffs to generate prime scoring chances. Almost every time he would make a spectacular defensive play he would screw it up on the rush. I've never seen someone flub or single-handedly destroy odd-man rushes. Aside from the goal against Montreal (that Rick Nash finished on) they were absolutely ****ing god awful on odd-man rushes. Stepan is just as much to blame for that as Rick Nash and Chris Kreider.
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I know Stepan was playing well until he got his face knocked off, but results are results. The Stepan trade we did will haunt us for decades in terms of what we gave up and the moves we made to restructure the offense around him.
 
No I wouldn't trade him unless you can get sufficient value in return. He's a prime piece during the regular season.
 
Ail said:
I'm sure everyone is feeling this sentiment right now, but it is very misguided.

Yes, we can all agree Nash did not come through when we needed him to the most, but last night he was one ****ing stick shaft away from winning it in OT and being a legend/hero. Voynov makes a great (lucky) play and saves the game. He's the hero instead.

Without Rick Nash there were no playoffs this year, and although he did not come through on the score sheet he had a good playoffs. Sometimes you need guys who step it up in the regular season just as much as you need guys who step it up in the playoffs. Hagelin was a beast, McD was amazing, Boyle was awesome, MSL was pretty good, Stralman was excellent, Henrik was Henrik. Optimally you want all of your big names to play big all year round, but not everyone is cut out for the tight hockey in the playoffs.

Lastly, Rick Nash gifted quite a few players free goals that they could not finish on the entire post-season. That's not on him.

IMHO, **** the haters because Rick Nash helped turn this team in to a top possession in the league squad and the Rangers are better with him than without. "OMG NO Goalzzzz!! 7.8 milllz11!!" doesn't even remotely come close to telling the whole story.
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Sorry. $7.8M for no goals when it mattered most and 3 all playoffs really is unacceptable. Nash does not get paid all that top dollar money to be our most important piece just for the sake of making the playoffs. The goal is the cup, and as our key cog on offense he takes the brunt of the responsibility for this team's failure to score.
 
Ail said:
I like Stepan's game, but let's be real here, offensively this kid did next to nothing the entire playoffs to generate prime scoring chances. Almost every time he would make a spectacular defensive play he would screw it up on the rush. I've never seen someone flub or single-handedly destroy odd-man rushes as much as he did. Aside from the goal against Montreal (that Rick Nash finished on) they were absolutely ****ing god awful on odd-man rushes. Stepan is just as much to blame for that as Rick Nash and Chris Kreider.
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Besides Rick Nash and Chris Kreider?

Stepan wasn't particularly good considering he was going up against some of the most elite competition a center could feasibly face in the NHL in every series but MTL (coincidentally where he has his most points), but to say Nash didn't score because of him is absolutely laughable.

We can't really FIT an elite 1C here because of Nash's contract, along with Hank's new contract and the contract McD, a top 3 defenseman in the NHL, is gonna get. I don't want to be the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Rangers are a top 5 team in the NHL with Stepan at 1C (and with Rick Nash at 1RW, too, to stop myself from appearing to identify with the NASHSUXORZ crowd) Stepan is a fine young 1C and it's painfully obvious that Nash's failures to score are on himself.
 
KingWantsCup said:
Sorry. $7.8M for no goals when it mattered most and 3 all playoffs really is unacceptable. Nash does not get paid all that top dollar money to be our most important piece just for the sake of making the playoffs. The goal is the cup, and as our key cog on offense he takes the brunt of the responsibility for this team's failure to score.
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I suppose you would group Crosby in with Nash .. you know over paid and not performing and stuff ... C'MON THIS IS INSANITY.
 
GregSirico said:
I suppose you would group Crosby in with Nash .. you know over paid and not performing and stuff ... C'MON THIS IS INSANITY.
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While it may be true that Crosby was incredibly dominant for the Penguins in both the regular season and playoffs since 2005, the fact that Crosby was a no show in the second round in no way effected that team's chances for the cup this year.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
I know Stepan was playing well until he got his face knocked off, but results are results. The Stepan trade we did will haunt us for decades in terms of what we gave up and the moves we made to restructure the offense around him.
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Is this team a better team than the one prior to Rick Nash's tenure in New York?

Did they or did they not just make it one round further?

Are they, or are they not now instead of a top 20 possession team, a top 10, borderline top 5, possession team?

All of which was already occurring before AV arrived in NY before anyone tries to attribute that to him. Even under Torts last year this team's possession numbers climbed significantly.

People can hate Nash unreasonably but that trade is shaping up to be one of the best things this franchise could have done to turn this team in to a legitimate contender and change the way they play the game. It's not all because of that trade, but it is a big part of it.
 
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