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Rick Nash Part II

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Losing atmosphere..well he's been here two years and has played in 6 playoff rounds. Maybe the winning atmosphere will help him grow as a player.
 
Would you trade Rick Nash?

Simple: would you trade Rick Nash for a 45/50 point young forward similar to Brassard?
 
The Rangers would save about $5 million, which combined with dropping 1-2 of our role players (Moore, Carcillo, Boyle) would be enough to sign someone like Stastny. I'd say Stastny+Brassard are superior to Rash. Dumping Richards would save enough to re-sign all our FAs like Stralman, Brass, Kreider, etc.

Get rid of Rash.
 
its a tough call...

you could have a gaborik situation, where given the #1 centerman in place, Nash can thrive...

But gabs, who is "supposedly" less talented than Nash was a much better performer here in the playoffs...

So i'm on the fence. I'm open to another year, or at the least, another 3-4 months to get Nash's value back up... I'm also up for dangling him at the draft to see what teams are interested in him...
 
Honestly, I would rather have Stastny and another player like Brassard (but a RW) than Rash. If we keep him, we can't afford Stastny, we don't acquire a young player and we probably dump Stralman as unaffordable.
 
Ultimately, i'd say yes to trade him (although its a difficult decision).

However, i'd not be the first to rush headlong into the next idiot contract (IE, Stasny).
 
Placid said:
Ultimately, i'd say yes to trade him (although its a difficult decision).

However, i'd not be the first to rush headlong into the next idiot contract (IE, Stasny).
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This. I don't want Stastny or any other near 30 semi-star. I sure as hell don't want a breaking down Jason Spezza. I'd look to move Nash for any sort of talented young right handed shooting forward.
 
If you want to keep Kreider and Stralman and both Moore's you're not getting Statsny anyway so Rangers fans gotta get that out of their minds. Won't work financially.

I would 100% trade Rick Nash, except his value is probably at an all-time low right now. You'll get offers, but will they be worth it? Probably not.
 
As I have said, Nash is essentially Marion Hossa. A solid contributing piece but he can't be the "go to" guy on a team. Could he play to his star potential with a better center? Probably. But thats going to be a tough position to fill.

For his price tag, he isn't worth it imo. Its too bad. They should look into trading him strictly for cap reasons.
 
i voted yes, but the whole hockey world just watched him seize up and provide as much offense as a potato.

The only way his trade value could be lower is if he started saying derogatory things about dion phaneuf's wife...
 
Beacon said:
Simple: would you trade Rick Nash for a 45/50 point young forward similar to Brassard?
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The question is, who would that be? For someone like Brassard who plateaus at 40 to 50........no...as someone pointed out in another thread about Nash, you still need someone to score in the regular season to get you to the playoffs.

For a 40-50 point player that has potential to reach 60-75 and over, YES. But again, who would that be? And what else would we be forced to give up as ,justly, pointed out Nash isn't worth much right now...
 
Blueshirt Believer said:
As I have said, Nash is essentially Marion Hossa. A solid contributing piece but he can't be the "go to" guy on a team. Could he play to his star potential with a better center? Probably. But thats going to be a tough position to fill.

For his price tag, he isn't worth it imo. Its too bad. They should look into trading him strictly for cap reasons.
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Yeah. Nash is not and never will be The Guy. Nash is the guy who plays with The Guy... who we don't have.
 
Wamsutta said:
Yeah. Nash is not and never will be The Guy. Nash is the guy who plays with The Guy... who we don't have.
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The irony he was initially brought in for that role. To be a complimentary piece for guys like Gabs, Richards.

It just didn't play out that way.
 
I'd keep him for the start of next season, but if he starts struggling again and I can get something good for him, I'd absolutely try to do it.
 
Blueshirt Believer said:
For his price tag, he isn't worth it imo. Its too bad. They should look into trading him strictly for cap reasons.
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Exactly this. Is Nash a good player? Yes he is. Is he worth $7.8M of your cap space for what he brings to the table? Absolutely not.
 
showjaxx said:
Exactly this. Is Nash a good player? Yes he is. Is he worth $7.8M of your cap space for what he brings to the table? Absolutely not.
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The only thing I can say to counter is that Nash is most likely Gaborik 2.0. If you give him the right center, he can be a dominating presence. Nash's problems are partly his own. But a big contributor has been Stepan. Stepan is not a first line center.

How do we get a Kopitar equivalent? I don't think we can.

Imo, management needs to gauge about 2-3 years out. I don't think that is possible with Sather at the helm. But that is what I would do. They need to draft or trade for elite center prospects.
 
If we could get some sort of value for him, I trade him. I'm not retaining salary and I'm not giving him away.

If the offers are mediocre this offseason, I hope he gets hot in the beginning of next year and I can trade him then. If I could get a quality top-4 OFD (either LH or RH) prospect or a top-6 RH C prospect, I think I bite.

I don't think they have the cap, but I'd totally trade Nash around something for Derrick Pouliot. I wouldn't even care if Nash is in Pitt with Crosby.
 
Blueshirt Believer said:
The only thing I can say to counter is that Nash is most likely Gaborik 2.0. If you give him the right center, he can be a dominating presence. Nash's problems are partly his own. But a big contributor has been Stepan. Stepan is not a first line center.

How do we get a Kopitar equivalent? I don't think we can.

Imo, management needs to gauge about 2-3 years out. I don't think that is possible with Sather at the helm. But that is what I would do. They need to draft or trade for elite center prospects.
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If Nash is Gaborik 2.0, I hope kings will keep Gabby and you can have the "upgraded" version. And I always though Richards was supposed to be equivalent of Kopitar. At least considering what those guys are getting paid (dont know exact numbers) but I think the amount Nash-Richards beats Gaborik-Kopitar.
 
After watching Gaborik in this year's playoffs, you think about that with the Nash situation. I really feel he did play well, just did not come up big or on par with the money he's making. With that said, I'd probably keep him for at least another season and perhaps dangle him on the block around the deadline hoping he starts having a good season and see what someone offers you.
 
0ddManRush said:
After watching Gaborik in this year's playoffs, you think about that with the Nash situation. I really feel he did play well, just did not come up big or on par with the money he's making. With that said, I'd probably keep him for at least another season and perhaps dangle him on the block around the deadline hoping he starts having a good season and see what someone offers you.
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The biggest issue is we don't have a Kopitar for Nash.
 
I said before the playoffs started that if the Rangers were to really make a Cup run, Nash would have to be the team's leading forward. I was half-right and half-wrong.

The team cannot get what they got from their two highest-paid forwards and hope to win.
 
Not sure whappened to this guy. i mean all those years he played for a terrible team and still put up big numbers. When he first got to teh rangers he looked like a beast. then the concussion happened and he not only stopped hitting but he also stopped finishing as much . He has become a 7.8 million dollar Penalty killer
 
Depends on what you get back. Rangers need a No. 1 center. I would send Nash back to Columbus for instance betting that Ryan Johansen could be that guy. I doubt the Bluejackets would even consider it. Basically Nash needs to play on a line where he's not the best player. Otherwise you get what you get. He is like Gaborik or Hossa. Great if he's a complimentary player. For all that he is he's overpaid by a good margin.
 
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