Speculation: request clarification on UFA and expansion draft -- how it may impact trades

[bernmeister]

would appreciate ruling from those in the know.
Speculation was closest prefix to fit.

Say rangers want feel they must be extra careful to manage the expansion draft, not let it manage them.

Say they otherwise agree on compensation w/St Louis for Shattenkirk as a rental.
End of season he is UFA.

Can Rangers say to him, trust us, the day after the expansion draft, we punch your ticket for the full load, and since he was UFA on day of the draft, correct me if I am wrong, but his UFA status supercedes eligibility for expansion in sense that yeah, he can be drafted, but he can still sign where he wants?

Or is there some little loophole that I don't know about that prevents it?
If so, is that loophole constant for all teams?
Or does that mean if St. Louis, hypothetically, kept him for playoff run, the loophole would rest with Blues, but not with other teams?

If priority was to protect young core from draft, is it safe to deal for a ufa and hold off, with that ufa's compliance, to sign right after expansion draft?

Thanks in advance for responses....

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[zar]

You are correct... if Shattenkirk does not sign an extension, he is a pending UFA as of July 1 so would not need to be protected. Shattenkirk might have an issue with that as he could potentially sustain a career ending injury and lose everything he would have earned with an extension (it would have been insured). I have a feeling if he is waiting until the Expansion Draft, he is waiting until July 1 to see what the other offers will be.

It's a good question though... for this one year only, will the NHL put a moratorium on teams signing any players between the expansion draft and July 1, to prevent teams from circumventing exposing assets in the Expansion Draft.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You are correct... if Shattenkirk does not sign an extension, he is a pending UFA as of July 1 so would not need to be protected. Shattenkirk might have an issue with that as he could potentially sustain a career ending injury and lose everything he would have earned with an extension (it would have been insured). I have a feeling if he is waiting until the Expansion Draft, he is waiting until July 1 to see what the other offers will be.

It's a good question though... for this one year only, will the NHL put a moratorium on teams signing any players between the expansion draft and July 1, to prevent teams from circumventing exposing assets in the Expansion Draft.

Easier solution:

If a team signs its own UFA after the expansion draft, they need to offer that player or a player on their protected list to LV, picking up in return the player drafted by LV from their team...

Et voilà, no loophole.

 

[Maukkis]

Easier solution:

If a team signs its own UFA after the expansion draft, they need to offer that player or a player on their protected list to LV, picking up in return the player drafted by LV from their team...

Et voilà, no loophole.

That is very true and probably what the rules should include. Everything so far has pointed towards the NHL wanting to make Las Vegas good from the get-go. Handshake deals and other dodgy deals will greatly reduce their chances of contending, so they'll likely be prohibited.

 

[zar]

Easier solution:

If a team signs its own UFA after the expansion draft, they need to offer that player or a player on their protected list to LV, picking up in return the player drafted by LV from their team...

Et voilà, no loophole.

Yup, that works.

 

[garmonbozia]

Teams must expose 2 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 goalie under contract the following year (so, not UFA). The only other restriction regarding UFAs applies to Las Vegas. They are only permitted to draft up to 10 players (out of 30) that aren't under contract for the 2017-2018 season. They won't draft that many UFAs anyway, unless it's to help reach the +60% of the prior seasons upper cap limit they need to draft.

No team will be penalized for signing their own UFAs after the draft. If the NHL was worried about UFAs drafted by Las Vegas re-signing with their original teams on secret handshake deals pre-arranged they'd be far more likely to ban players from playing for the team they're drafted from for at least a year than proving and penalizing teams that did something as routine as signing their own UFA. That solution seemed to fix the imaginary unfairness allowed by all the annual deadline rentals for the playoffs who kept returning to their original teams in the offseason.

It won't matter.
Las Vegas will have some idea of their chances of signing any UFA they're bold enough to spend a pick on. Their organizational needs (everything!) mean there will be better value options on most teams over the majority of exposed UFAs.

 

[bernmeister]

Teams must expose 2 forwards, 1 defenseman, and 1 goalie under contract the following year (so, not UFA). The only other restriction regarding UFAs applies to Las Vegas. They are only permitted to draft up to 10 players (out of 30) that aren't under contract for the 2017-2018 season. They won't draft that many UFAs anyway, unless it's to help reach the +60% of the prior seasons upper cap limit they need to draft.

No team will be penalized for signing their own UFAs after the draft. If the NHL was worried about UFAs drafted by Las Vegas re-signing with their original teams on secret handshake deals pre-arranged they'd be far more likely to ban players from playing for the team they're drafted from for at least a year than proving and penalizing teams that did something as routine as signing their own UFA. That solution seemed to fix the imaginary unfairness allowed by all the annual deadline rentals for the playoffs who kept returning to their original teams in the offseason.

It won't matter.
Las Vegas will have some idea of their chances of signing any UFA they're bold enough to spend a pick on. Their organizational needs (everything!) mean there will be better value options on most teams over the majority of exposed UFAs.

thanks to all, pls keep it coming...

the above seems right, it shouldn't matter, need to get LV decent asap should not thwart right of teams to extend UFAs, if a player consents and wants to exercise his option to re-sign and both are willing to wait until day after....