We have no bad contracts and all of them are easily traded apparently.
So yes, it should be very easy.
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So yes, it should be very easy.
notDatsyuk
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I didn't get that far - too busy laughing at Tavares at 1C, and still with Nylander on his wing.
ULF_55
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A1LeafNation
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We need more offense and better coaching.
I'm not okay with Kampf on the 3rd line. If we need him to shut down top lines, cool increase his minutes situationally, but we need three scoring threats.
Tavares has proven for 4 years he is not able to be a dominating 2nd line center so put him against lesser competition on the 3rd line with some grinders who can score.
Bunting Matthews Marner
________ _________ Nylander
________ Tavares _______
Engvall Kampf Blackwell
Spezza
I'm not okay with Kampf on the 3rd line. If we need him to shut down top lines, cool increase his minutes situationally, but we need three scoring threats.
Tavares has proven for 4 years he is not able to be a dominating 2nd line center so put him against lesser competition on the 3rd line with some grinders who can score.
Bunting Matthews Marner
________ _________ Nylander
________ Tavares _______
Engvall Kampf Blackwell
Spezza
ULF_55
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Yeah, I thought about moving Tavares down.
Actually, thought about this:
Douglas-Tavares-Simmonds (he was a 2 time 30 goal scorer, along with 20+ goal seasons)
Maybe Sabres would take Mrazek+Holl for Okposo
Simmons-Tavares-Okposo
This line did fine in the playoffs last year.
Galchenyuk-Kerfoot-Nylander
Find a better Galchenyuk?
Can someone figure out the average number of powerplays Leaf opponents get when the Leafs have a lead going into the 3rd period? I'm betting the number will reveal quite a bit.
Dreakmur
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Oh, we’re blaming the referees again? Guess we don’t need to improve the team, since losing wasn’t their fault anyway.
ULF_55
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Tacos
One doesn't preclude the other.
I saw a call last night I think ... nights blend together ... where the referee made the high stick call because of the head throw back. He missed the actual high stick (it did happen) because he was looking the other way and then turned and saw the head throw back.
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Maybe he wasn't blaming the refs but asking if the Leafs puck possession style opens them up for PIMs in the 3rd period.
I want to know if the reason the Leafs struggle with protecting leads is related to how often it seems like Leaf opponents are given opportunities TO come back. Because it seems to me like a lot of us expect when the Leafs are leading going into the 3rd period that it's going to be a penalty-fest, and I can think of a few games this year where a game the Leafs were leading by multiple goals was turned around because the opponents scored a goal and then IMMEDIATELY got a power play or two.
But of course, we still have people around here who claim that despite what raw f***ing numbers say, the Leafs aren't treated any more horribly by the league than any other team. It's just an amazing coincidence that a game in which the Leafs have more power plays than our opponents is considered a deviation from the norm, and finable offenses become suspensions when our guys do it...
notDatsyuk
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When Tampa gets scored on, they immediately press the attack, and frequently draw a penalty.
When Tampa scores, they immediately press the attack, and frequently score again, or draw a penalty.
When Toronto gets scored on, they get defensive, get hemmed in, and frequently take a penalty.
When Toronto scores, they usually sit back, get hemmed in their own end, and often take a penalty.
I'm sure that's the refs' fault, and not the coaches.
When Tampa scores, they immediately press the attack, and frequently score again, or draw a penalty.
When Toronto gets scored on, they get defensive, get hemmed in, and frequently take a penalty.
When Toronto scores, they usually sit back, get hemmed in their own end, and often take a penalty.
I'm sure that's the refs' fault, and not the coaches.
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Bomber0104
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The only thing more embarrassing that 6 consecutive first round losses would be fans making 6 consecutive different excuses every year for them.
Kadri, Freddie, Babcock, Korpisalo, Price, Refs... next year who knows!
It's been 6 years and people still refuse to look inward.
Kadri, Freddie, Babcock, Korpisalo, Price, Refs... next year who knows!
It's been 6 years and people still refuse to look inward.
Offence:
Tavares is good without Marner, but he's great with Marner. Let's reunite those two.
As much as I like Matthews and Marner together, Matthews is good enough to not need an all-star winger to be effective.
My proposal is we trade Nylander while his value is at its highest. We take the best package of prospects and picks we can get (I would hope for a blue chip prospect + a first at minimum, or multiple firsts).
Toronto is able to pay gigantic signing bonuses and is able to attract free agents. As such, we should use the cap space to sign a player to play with Matthews, someone that can compliment his style of play. I would love Nichuskin, but I have concerns about his health. I would also like Domi or Trochek. Someone who would come in around ~5M.
Lines would look something like:
Bunting - Matthews - Nichuskin / Domi / Trocheck
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Clifford - Spezza - Simmonds
Open to suggestions on this fourth line.
Defence:
We sign Sandin to a bridge deal and train him to play his off side. He will be playing with Muzzin.
We sign Liljegren for the longest term we can get him to commit to. He will be playing with Gio.
Lines would look something like:
Reilly - Brodie
Gio - Lilly
Muzzin - Sandin
Goalies:
We may need to flip some of the assets acquired in the Nylander trade in order to unload Mrazek. This frees up cap space. Use cap space to sign a UFA goaltender.
Lines would look something like:
Husso
Samsonov
In this, the Leafs add extra cap space, extra draft capital and I think remain at the very least the same as they were last year, if not better.
Thoughts?
Tavares is good without Marner, but he's great with Marner. Let's reunite those two.
As much as I like Matthews and Marner together, Matthews is good enough to not need an all-star winger to be effective.
My proposal is we trade Nylander while his value is at its highest. We take the best package of prospects and picks we can get (I would hope for a blue chip prospect + a first at minimum, or multiple firsts).
Toronto is able to pay gigantic signing bonuses and is able to attract free agents. As such, we should use the cap space to sign a player to play with Matthews, someone that can compliment his style of play. I would love Nichuskin, but I have concerns about his health. I would also like Domi or Trochek. Someone who would come in around ~5M.
Lines would look something like:
Bunting - Matthews - Nichuskin / Domi / Trocheck
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Clifford - Spezza - Simmonds
Open to suggestions on this fourth line.
Defence:
We sign Sandin to a bridge deal and train him to play his off side. He will be playing with Muzzin.
We sign Liljegren for the longest term we can get him to commit to. He will be playing with Gio.
Lines would look something like:
Reilly - Brodie
Gio - Lilly
Muzzin - Sandin
Goalies:
We may need to flip some of the assets acquired in the Nylander trade in order to unload Mrazek. This frees up cap space. Use cap space to sign a UFA goaltender.
Lines would look something like:
Husso
Samsonov
In this, the Leafs add extra cap space, extra draft capital and I think remain at the very least the same as they were last year, if not better.
Thoughts?
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While I appreciate the thought and effort, there's nothing about your suggested lineup that leads to me to believe they can take the next step.
A few specifics:
- Nothing I've seen from Robertson yet suggests he's ready for a top 6 role.
- While I like Kase and the energy he brings, he can't be relied on due to recurring injury concerns.
- Unless Engvall adds physicality to his game or a desire to get to the front of the net, he'll be nothing more than a solid regular season depth player who is irrelevant come playoff time.
- Nichushkin. He'd be my pick of the three you mentioned, just a matter of what it would take to sign him.
- (Sandin) As a young d-man still fitting in at the NHL level I'm not a fan of transitioning him to the right side. However, with the Gio signing it does raise the question of what Dubas/Keefe are thinking for the left side. So there is some debate here.
- The fourth line isn't really all that important in the big picture but I think Spezza is pretty much done and Simmonds isn't far behind. Blackwell plus some new signings would be the way to go with Clifford filling in when needed.
A few specifics:
- Nothing I've seen from Robertson yet suggests he's ready for a top 6 role.
- While I like Kase and the energy he brings, he can't be relied on due to recurring injury concerns.
- Unless Engvall adds physicality to his game or a desire to get to the front of the net, he'll be nothing more than a solid regular season depth player who is irrelevant come playoff time.
- Nichushkin. He'd be my pick of the three you mentioned, just a matter of what it would take to sign him.
- (Sandin) As a young d-man still fitting in at the NHL level I'm not a fan of transitioning him to the right side. However, with the Gio signing it does raise the question of what Dubas/Keefe are thinking for the left side. So there is some debate here.
- The fourth line isn't really all that important in the big picture but I think Spezza is pretty much done and Simmonds isn't far behind. Blackwell plus some new signings would be the way to go with Clifford filling in when needed.
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Yeah, last year it was Marner. All summer people were whining about Marner. Some of those same people who blamed Marner are now talking about excuses.
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IWait what happened to the years we blamed on Reimer and Gards ?
Leaf Fans
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Yup, Marner had four assists and Matthews had a goal and four assists - they were one of the excuses last year.
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Dreakmur
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We traded Nylander and didn't improve our defense, or goaltending, or depth? That's awful.
ULF_55
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Not sure, are you suggesting fans look inward?
I suspect you mean the Leafs have to look at their team and see why they don't have someone who can elevate their game in the post-season?
Nylander trade fetched draft picks and cap space, which was use to improve goaltending.
There’s no rule that upgrades have to be acquired through trade. Free agency is a viable option and it’s free in that you don’t have to give up picks/prospects/players
Dreakmur
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The goalie wasn’t really upgraded though. Husso just flopped in the playoffs. Samsonov is young but hasn’t progressed since he started in the league.
It’s likely a downgrade. Campbell has been pretty solid in both playoffs.
