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That shouldn't surprise people that players get better until they peak and then decline.

Their top offensive players are 24, 25, 26 and 31.
Bunting got to play with two top 10 players.
Rielly had a better season before this one.
Engvall had little over 1 season before this one.
Mikheyev has had major injuries before this one.

Anyone else you think had a career year?

Kerfoot and Kampf
 
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I wonder if we trade nylander for Miller.

It would make sense if only because we can’t afford Nylanders extension? It would be bold.

If the extension is reasonable that is.
 
There was no evidence of being sick or injured in his play. That's just something you randomly decided to attribute his play to, based on nothing, in order to try and discredit the job the Leafs did against him.

Based on knowing how good he normally is and how bad he was against the leafs,m. Unless you think he was so intimidated by the leafs that he gave up all hope before the series started, they didn’t do anything to cause it.
 
Based on knowing how good he normally is and how bad he was against the leafs.
Players often look worse than "they normally do" when they're facing one of the best teams and defenses in the world. Very obviously has nothing to do with injuries, sickness, a sudden decision to stop trying, or any other reason you can come up with to avoid giving Toronto their proper credit.
 
Players often look worse than "they normally do" when they're facing one of the best teams and defenses in the world. Very obviously has nothing to do with injuries, sickness, a sudden decision to stop trying, or any other reason you can come up with to avoid giving Toronto their proper credit.

The proper credit of losing in the first round again? You have created a desperately low bar for your GM/hero.

Kucherov wasn’t right. It was obvious. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better.
 
The proper credit of losing in the first round again? You have created a desperately low bar for your GM/hero.

Kucherov wasn’t right. It was obvious. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better.

Nylander was sick.
Matthews was playing injured.
Bunting was playing injured.
Campbell was playing injured.
Tavares wasn't 100%.

I guess it all evens out.
 
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If they do truly believe the score we have some good trading assets for an all in . Nylander , 2022 1st , 2023 , one of sandin or Lilg , a high end prospect in knies lots of good trading chips to retool the core
 
The proper credit for how we played and our work in neutralizing key threats on the opposition.

Kucherov's only problem was that he was facing us. It's really unfortunate that some feel the need to pretend otherwise.

I asked this question before, and you avoided it because I assume that you don’t understand what happens on the ice… but I’ll ask again so you can answer.

What specifically did we do to slow down Kucherov?
 
The proper credit of losing in the first round again? You have created a desperately low bar for your GM/hero.

Kucherov wasn’t right. It was obvious. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel better.
How it's pretending when there is no such evidence that he was conveniently sick for two weeks that first round lasted and after that in few days his back to his normal self?

You can pretend he was sick or show some evidence. You are the one that is pretending.

I don't even know why. We lost, we weren't good enough, but we don't have to make excuses for their star players to make it look even worse.
 
How it's pretending when there is no such evidence that he was conveniently sick for two weeks that first round lasted and after that in few days his back to his normal self?

You can pretend he was sick or show some evidence. You are the one that is pretending.

I don't even know why. We lost, we weren't good enough, but we don't have to make excuses for their star players to make it look even worse.

His play was the evidence. I know what it looks like when a player is actually shut down by an opponent, and that wasn’t it. He was coasting around and clearly not even engaged. He was repeatedly making seriously strange decisions with the puck. I remember multiple times during the series laughing about how they can even keep putting him on the ice.
 
His play was the evidence. I know what it looks like when a player is actually shut down by an opponent, and that wasn’t it. He was coasting around and clearly not even engaged. He was repeatedly making seriously strange decisions with the puck. I remember multiple times during the series laughing about how they can even keep putting him on the ice.
Ok, so your evidence is hot air. Thanks, that's enough.
 
Yep, and you have absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise.

1 player felt a bit ill before 1 game. Kind of like a milder version of how Nylander had food poisoning for 1 game.
you have proof of this. please post.... or its just speculation on your part, provide some facts!
 
I wonder if we trade nylander for Miller.

It would make sense if only because we can’t afford Nylanders extension? It would be bold.

If the extension is reasonable that is.
I imagine if they can't afford Nylander's extension they won't be able to afford JT Millers which is a year earlier. Guy just put up 99 points, he is going to get paid.
 
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I asked this question before, and you avoided it
Please don't lie about our interactions. I didn't avoid anything. You asked a different question before that was based on the incorrect premise that Kucherov wasn't trying, and I responded and pointed out the error that formed the foundation of your question. Now, you are asking a different question, that I have actually also spoke on already:
It's almost like our speed and hard forecheck made them force passes quicker, making them less crisp and accurate, and our positioning and good anticipatory abilities gave them little time and space in the offensive zone as well as bad angles to get good shots off, forcing them to pass too much.
Our PK also visibly frustrated them and got in their heads during the first couple games. Etc.

It's okay to give Toronto the tiniest bit of credit sometimes.
 
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you have proof of this. please post.... or its just speculation on your part, provide some facts!
Proof of what? That it was just one game for Kucherov? Read the article you posted... Or do you mean about Nylander? It was widely reported before game 1. He ate bad sushi and had food poisoning.

EDIT: I don't know why this article link is creating an embedded video, but it's titled "Maple Leafs' Nylander played through bad sushi in game 1" on Sportsnet.
 
Please don't lie about our interactions. I didn't avoid anything. You asked a different question before that was based on the incorrect premise that Kucherov wasn't trying, and I responded and pointed out the error that formed the foundation of your question. Now, you are asking a different question, that I have actually also spoke on already:

Our PK also visibly frustrated them and got in their heads during the first couple games. Etc.

It's okay to give Toronto the tiniest bit of credit sometimes.

That’s right. I asked what they did specifically to make it look like Kucherov wasn’t trying. Such a difference.

Excellent generic response that falls apart as soon as you know we gave up 3 PP goals in game 2, another in game 3, and another in game 4. I wouldn’t say that was very frustrating for them.
 
Please don't lie about our interactions. I didn't avoid anything. You asked a different question before that was based on the incorrect premise that Kucherov wasn't trying, and I responded and pointed out the error that formed the foundation of your question. Now, you are asking a different question, that I have actually also spoke on already:

Our PK also visibly frustrated them and got in their heads during the first couple games. Etc.

It's okay to give Toronto the tiniest bit of credit sometimes.
I get the general sentiment your trying to make but the leafs PK being very good is an odd one. I seem to remember the leafs PK getting destroyed in game 2 after a stellar game 1 performance. After that game they let in a PP goal every game but 1.
 

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