Re-tooling For One More Run With This Core

[showtime8]

JT/ over paying marner/ mrazek ( who is on a 10 team no trade btw)/ tanking a year so he could get rid of Babcock and Undercutting him/ hiring his friend from the Soo/ singing half the team from the Soo/ the foligno deal/ the mcann trade and exposure (we also gave up a center who scored in a game 7 in it)

Because last year was the second year of choking against an inferior opponent.

Why would you allow dubas to make the kawhi deal he hasn't shown he can do what it takes and if it doesn't work then you're firing him and he f***ed the team up.

Fire him let the new gm make the decision.

We partially got 115 points because the NHL wanted to artificially jack up scoring so they made the game soft this year. Which fit our soft team

Okay.

I'll say the counter point would be that the Tavares signing at the time was significant. For years, people would bitch and complain that no high profile free agents would come to Toronto. So instead, they would have to overpay for guys like David Clarkson and Mike Komisarek. I truly don't believe that the Tavares signing handcuffed the team at the time. The part where you could criticize Dubas is overpaying both Matthews and Marner out of their entry level deals. There was no bridge deals, it was straight to the big tickets. From that point, there was major roster imbalance and he's tried to find the diamonds in the rough to offset the larger contracts.

The Mrazek deal wasn't great, but he has this off-season to rid himself of that contract and by all accounts, he should be able to do that.

The Babcock situation was a blessing in disguise and if he was such a great coach and person, why hasn't he been hired by any other team since he was fired? I don't buy that excuse.

The Foligno trade was a misjudgement on his part. It wasn't that he misjudged the situation, it was just not the right player at the time. I don't think Foligno was healthy the entire time he was in a Leaf uniform. That's just speculation on my part.

The only reservations I would have about letting Dubas go into the off-season as GM is that you have Matthews into the 2nd last year of his contract before he hits unrestricted free agency. And if the team isn't performing well, why wouldn't he force everyone's hand by not signing any contracts.

 

[PromisedLand]

Do you know what is a winning mindset?

Do you know what is not accepting complacency, be smug and easily satisfied?

MASAI doing what needed to be done.

Dwane Casey, coach of the year, got fired by Raptors 2 days after winning award

Wednesday, Toronto Raptors coach Dwane Casey was named NBA coach of the year.\u00a0Friday, the coach\u00a0got fired.

www.indystar.com

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sakic dumped ROR, Duchene, etc... when he saw it isn't working. He retooled/rebuilt the roster. Took a couple steps back to take 10 steps forward. A competent GM acknowledges their mistake and tries to fix it and do it "Correctly" the next time.


Key Word: Competent GM

We need a competent GM before retooling/rebuilding again. Dubas should not be allowed to shape the future anymore

He also finished a season with 47 points

Do you know what is a winning mindset?

Do you know what is not accepting complacency, be smug and easily satisfied?

MASAI doing what needed to be done.

Dwane Casey, coach of the year, got fired by Raptors 2 days after winning award

Wednesday, Toronto Raptors coach Dwane Casey was named NBA coach of the year.\u00a0Friday, the coach\u00a0got fired.

www.indystar.com

Okay now trade nylander and sandin for mcdavid, cuz that’s what masai was able to do… you can’t directly compare sports. One players impact on an NBA roster is immeasurably higher than on an nhl team and you know that.

 

[PromisedLand]

He also finished a season with 47 points


Okay now trade nylander and sandin for mcdavid, cuz that’s what masai was able to do… you can’t directly compare sports. One players impact on an NBA is immeasurably higher than on an nhl team and you know that.

Rewarding mediocrity, being smug, easily satistifed and being complacent is NOT winning mindset.

Enough is Enough Already!

Dubas is a failed GM. Need new direction and need new voice. Period!

 

[Nylanderthal]

Rewarding mediocrity, being smug, easily satistifed and being complacent is NOT winning mindset.

Enough is Enough Already!

Dubas is a failed GM. Need new direction and need new voice. Period!

Being smug? Lol so this is all about appearance now? How do you know anyones easily satisfied and complacent? It sounds like you’re making generalizations about people based on your perception of them, maybe you’re offended by smart looking individuals who talk with composure and confidence as opposed to spitting out quotes like beligerence testosterone pugnacity etc. while purposely not having their tie tied in order to look like their hard at work

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Mikheyev? I think his money maybe has to go to a goalie. Are Brodie and Muzz going to have enough left next year? Maybe a high end RD acquisition to mitigate some of the vet's decline because they can't ice a worse 6 next playoff and expect to win.

Mik disappointed me. It seemed like his speed wasn't much of a factor and it's his key weapon. Maybe he was injured i don't know but he needed a greater contribution than he delivered.

 

[Mr Papagoergyo]

Rewarding mediocrity, being smug, easily satistifed and being complacent is NOT winning mindset.

Enough is Enough Already!

Dubas is a failed GM. Need new direction and need new voice. Period!

Agreed cant trust Dubas.
Clearly can't make a tough decision roster wise.
Questionable trade history.
Goaltending lack of options and no solid backup for starters in years.
Gave Mrazek L-nmc plus over paid?

 

[PromisedLand]

Being smug? Lol so this is all about appearance now? How do you know anyones easily satisfied and complacent? It sounds like you’re making generalizations about people based on your perception of them, maybe you’re offended by smart looking individuals who talk with composure and confidence as opposed to spitting out quotes like beligerence testosterone pugnacity etc. while purposely not having their tie tied in order to look like their hard at work

This is a results oriented business. This Dubas-Keefe duo has lost to zamboni driver, penguins' AHL team, CBJ, blew a 3-1 series lead against the habs, and is the only team not close a Game 7 at home this year.

Running it back with the same is easily satisfied, complacent and smug

Cooper was an AHL coach that got promoted to NHL. He gets NHL hockey Keefe and by extension Dubas does not.

Results speak for themselves

Need a new vision, need a new voice. Need a competent management group with competent coaches. Anything else is not acceptable. Period!

 

[The Masters]

Here's what I want to see:

Bunts - 34 - Marner
Nylander - New Player - Tavares
New Player - Kampf - Blackwell
Engvall - New Player - New Player

On defence, bring back Gio, let Boosh walk, move Holl. If there is any way to bring in a top end RD, do it, so that Brodie is bumped down the depth chart.

New goalies. Try to move Mrazek, run Kallgren as our back up and hope someone on the Marlies applies upward pressure on him. Bring in a new #1.

So to summarize, bring in:
2nd Line C
3rd Line LW
4th line C + RW
Top pairing RD
#1 Goalie

Easy, right? lol

I like this but I think you need to trade Nylander for the 2nd line centre and new D guy. We have no other assets. It has to be him.

2nd line needs to be bolstered. I like JT on the wing. Move Bunts to 2nd line. Find a 2nd line centre from nylander deal.

See if we can get a power forward for matty and marner.

Bottom 6 needs to be replaced. Dubas gotta find diamonds again. What sucks is the marlies arent producing anyone for those roles which we desperately need and we also dealt a lot of picks last few yrs to cupboard is bare.

 

[PromisedLand]

Dubas should not be in charge of doing anything further with this team. His time is up.

I don't think it needs to be blown up. There are a lot of areas that need to be looked at, improved on and tweaked. But there's no way Dubas should be trusted to do it. It's time for someone else to take the reigns. This is a results driven business and the results haven't been there.

Precisely! Need a new vision and new voice. Competent management is required. Dubas should not be allowed to impact Leafs future anymore

 

[Nylanderthal]

This is a results oriented business. This Dubas-Keefe duo has lost to zamboni driver, penguins' AHL team, CBJ, blew a 3-1 series lead against the habs, and is the only team not close a Game 7 at home this year.

Running it back with the same is easily satisfied, complacent and smug

Cooper was an AHL coach that got promoted to NHL. He gets NHL hockey Keefe and by extension Dubas does not.

Results speak for themselves

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Need a new vision, need a new voice. Need a competent management group with competent coaches. Anything else is not acceptable. Period!

Now you’re just adding shit like one off games vs. Carolina and Pittsburgh to reinforce your stance, it’s disingenuous and bs.
Coop also missed the playoffs twice and went out in round 1 early on, not every path is linear in trajectory and not every path is the same route in distance.
Like I’ve said in other posts and threads, the conversation to change up the voice in the room is one I think they have to have considering the candidates available currently and the way this week unfolded.
Like are you really bothered by David Ayers? You realize like once a season an ebug comes in, there was the half blind guy this year and the accountant the same season as Ayer’s. David didnt beat the leafs, Carolina did. They skated the leafs into the ground and kept the puck 200’ away from Ayer’s the whole time. It could’ve been you or me in net, Carolina was getting those points.
Why stay so hyper focused on individual specific moments? Especially ones in the regular season, which I’ve been told countless times around here means squat.

 

[ULF_55]

Just get a legitimate #1 goalie

that's all I really want

You know what is funny?

Campbell GAA: 3.15, Sv% .897
Vasilevskiy GAA: 3.04 Sv% .897

 

[fahad203]

Now you’re just adding shit like one off games vs. Carolina and Pittsburgh to reinforce your stance, it’s disingenuous and bs.
Coop also missed the playoffs twice and went out in round 1 early on, not every path is linear in trajectory and not every path is the same route in distance.
Like I’ve said in other posts and threads, the conversation to change up the voice in the room is one I think they have to have considering the candidates available currently and the way this week unfolded.
Like are you really bothered by David Ayers? You realize like once a season an ebug comes in, there was the half blind guy this year and the accountant the same season as Ayer’s. David didnt beat the leafs, Carolina did. They skated the leafs into the ground and kept the puck 200’ away from Ayer’s the whole time. It could’ve been you or me in net, Carolina was getting those points.
Why stay so hyper focused on individual specific moments? Especially ones in the regular season, which I’ve been told countless times around here means squat.

Why aren't you bothered by it?

That loss to Carolina was a black mark on a historic franchise. We have become a meme, a laughing stock in every sense possible
Then there's the collapse to our biggest rival to Montreal

For a coach who's been in the business for 3 years, he accomplished a lot of negative milestones

I have nothing personal against Keefe. He'll be a great coach, but doesn't have to be here

He currently is 0-5 in closing games

I can't think of any other current coach who holds that pedigree

 

[PromisedLand]

Now you’re just adding shit like one off games vs. Carolina and Pittsburgh to reinforce your stance, it’s disingenuous and bs.
Coop also missed the playoffs twice and went out in round 1 early on, not every path is linear in trajectory and not every path is the same route in distance.
Like I’ve said in other posts and threads, the conversation to change up the voice in the room is one I think they have to have considering the candidates available currently and the way this week unfolded.
Like are you really bothered by David Ayers? You realize like once a season an ebug comes in, there was the half blind guy this year and the accountant the same season as Ayer’s. David didnt beat the leafs, Carolina did. They skated the leafs into the ground and kept the puck 200’ away from Ayer’s the whole time. It could’ve been you or me in net, Carolina was getting those points.
Why stay so hyper focused on individual specific moments? Especially ones in the regular season, which I’ve been told countless times around here means squat.

Dubas has to be fired! New direction is required. He does not have a clue on how to build NHL team. Every other so called rookie GM has at least won one round.

I gave you plenty of examples yet you focus on specifics?

Failures are not be tolerated anymore. Period! This is TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS not a peewee club where experiments by a rookie should be allowed to continue.

Show some respect for the LOGO

 

[Nylanderthal]

Dubas has to be fired! New direction is required. He does not have a clue on how to build NHL team. Every other so called rookie GM has at least won one round.

I gave you plenty of examples yet you focus on specifics?

Failures are not be tolerated anymore. Period! This is TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS not a peewee club where experiments by a rookie should be allowed to continue.

Show some respect for the LOGO

He just put together a team that smashed club records for points, wins and pts%, you need to be a good regular season team to even have a shot in the playoffs so yes the regular season is very important. Remember the days when burkie’s pugnacity had us out of contention by thanksgiving? Or were the 18wheeler seasons fun?
they lost to the 2x defending cup champs in a 7 game series by one goal. What about that spells blow it up?
All those before dubas whom you bow to in greatness didn’t achieve half the shit Kyle has, a regular season is 82 games and much better sample size of a team. They lost one game by one goal (one that was called back) to the odds on favourites to three peat. They’re close.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You know what is funny?

Campbell GAA: 3.15, Sv% .897
Vasilevskiy GAA: 3.04 Sv% .897

you know why that doesn't mean shit?

Vasi is a back to back champion, Vasi is a Vezina winner, Vasi could retire today and be a lock for the hall of fame, Vasi is a closer when he had the chance to close he did.

Campbell had his chance to close and he let in 4.

you tried to make a compare and you failed miserably

 

[ULF_55]

I like this but I think you need to trade Nylander for the 2nd line centre and new D guy. We have no other assets. It has to be him.

2nd line needs to be bolstered. I like JT on the wing. Move Bunts to 2nd line. Find a 2nd line centre from nylander deal.

See if we can get a power forward for matty and marner.

Bottom 6 needs to be replaced. Dubas gotta find diamonds again. What sucks is the marlies arent producing anyone for those roles which we desperately need and we also dealt a lot of picks last few yrs to cupboard is bare.

You trade Nylander for a 2nd. line center you still have Tavares and you've probably paid more than $7mm for a 2nd. line center. Deck chairs ...

And now you want a 1st. line powerforward? With what CapSpace are you paying him?

If you want to make major changes to the core, you have to move out one of the double digits.

 

[killer1980]

Precisely! Need a new vision and new voice. Competent management is required. Dubas should not be allowed to impact Leafs future anymore

One more year of this s*** and Dubas gets to challenge Nonis & Fergie Jr. as the worst GM in Leaf history. His only skill is how he cons management and a few fans to believe he actually knows what he's doing.

 

[ULF_55]

Why aren't you bothered by it?

That loss to Carolina was a black mark on a historic franchise. We have become a meme, a laughing stock in every sense possible
Then there's the collapse to our biggest rival to Montreal

For a coach who's been in the business for 3 years, he accomplished a lot of negative milestones

I have nothing personal against Keefe. He'll be a great coach, but doesn't have to be here

He currently is 0-5 in closing games

I can't think of any other current coach who holds that pedigree

Their top 3 players have combined for about 10 points in the last 6 deciding games. (I'm excluding the unmoveable Tavares in this. They are stuck with him.)

I don't think there is an appetite to really change that, too many are in love with two of those who consistently fail to deliver in the big games.

So the option is change how they play.

 

[PromisedLand]

He just put together a team that smashed club records for points, wins and pts%, they lost to the 2x defending cup champs in a 7 game series by one goal. What about that spells blow it up?
All those before dubas whom you bow to in greatness didn’t achieve half the shit Kyle has, a regular season is 82 games and much better sample size of a team. They lost one game by one goal (one that was called back) to the odds on favourites to three peat. They’re close.

He has lost in round 1 in spectacular fashion

- CBJ series an absolute freakin JOKE
- Blew a 3-1 series lead against habs
- Only team not to win a game 7 at home to win the series this playoffs


No more complacency! No more failed experiments. Dubas is done! He does not get NHL. Need a new voice and a new vision. Period!

 

[GoonieFace]

No panic guys, it’s perfectly acceptable that this organization hasn’t won a playoff series in 18 years. Just be patient, the Dubes knows how to build a winner. This team is so close to winning a cup I can feel it. They win in the cup if they win 1 round right?

 

[ULF_55]

you know why that doesn't mean shit?

Vasi is a back to back champion, Vasi is a Vezina winner, Vasi could retire today and be a lock for the hall of fame, Vasi is a closer when he had the chance to close he did.

Campbell had his chance to close and he let in 4.

you tried to make a compare and you failed miserably

I agree, I just thought it was interesting.

Leafs only scored 1 goal in the final. In order to win Campbell had to have a shutout.

 

[Suntouchable13]

He just put together a team that smashed club records for points, wins and pts%, you need to be a good regular season team to even have a shot in the playoffs so yes the regular season is very important. Remember the days when burkie’s pugnacity had us out of contention by thanksgiving? Or were the 18wheeler seasons fun?
they lost to the 2x defending cup champs in a 7 game series by one goal. What about that spells blow it up?
All those before dubas whom you bow to in greatness didn’t achieve half the shit Kyle has, a regular season is 82 games and much better sample size of a team. They lost one game by one goal (one that was called back) to the odds on favourites to three peat. They’re close.

We've heard they are close for how many years now? Don't have to blow it up at all, just make more significant changes

 

[Nylanderthal]

He has lost in round 1 in spectacular fashion

- CBJ series an absolute freakin JOKE
- Blew a 3-1 series lead against habs
- Only team not to win a game 7 at home to win the series this playoffs


No more complacency! No more failed experiments. Dubas is done! He does not get NHL. Need a new voice and a new vision. Period!

Chug another natty light, Rick.

 

[PromisedLand]

One more year of this s*** and Dubas gets to challenge Nonis & Fergie Jr. as the worst GM in Leaf history. His only skill is how he cons management and a few fans to believe he actually knows what he's doing.

Dude as far as I am concerned Dubas already is the WORST GM not only in Leafs history but history of any sports.


When he was named GM Leafs had plenty of cap space, assets/prospects and a team on the rise 2 years removed from a rebuild and two playoffs experience (Caps, Bruins).

He has squandered that in a couple years. No other GM in any sport was ever afforded such opportunity and flushed it down the toilet so quickly.

He should not be allowed to impact Leafs future anymore. I am so done with this. No more!