Re-tooling For One More Run With This Core

[ACC1224]

That’s fair way to look at it. I think they leafs had to get a back up at that point in the season when they got Campbell. They choose to give up Moore. It is what it is at this point. We can argue about the Brown one as well. It all comes back to the money the core 4 was given and how tight our cap situation was in making these decisions.

Bingo. Choices had to be made, same with moving Marleau

 

[rocketman588]

Bingo. Choices had to be made, same with moving Marleau

You don't have to move marleau if you don't sign JT. You probably get better deals on every player as well. The JT decision was historically bad for where we were at as a franchise

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

Trade Mrazek and Nylander.

Offersheet Oettinger I believe he is a RFA

 

[rocketman588]

Trade Mrazek and Nylander.

Offersheet Oettinger I believe he is a RFA

What picks do we have to use for an offer sheet

Mrazek is almost unmovable he has a 10 team trade list

Ott will make more then we can afford. The stars are going to match a 4 million dollar a year offer sheet lol

 

[Superstar]

Dubas: Re-fooling...

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

What picks do we have to use for an offer sheet

Mrazek is almost unmovable he has a 10 team trade list

Ott will make more then we can afford. The stars are going to match a 4 million dollar a year offer sheet lol

If anyone can pull it its gotta be Dubas!

WE CAN! WE WILL!

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Who know if Mrazek had been able to stay healthy what his season would have been like?

The question is can Mrazek stay healthy period, or is his physical body done?

I sure hope that Leafs management knew that Mrazek was injury prone before they committed stupid money to him.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Trevor Moore is what Kerfort was supposed to be. I don't want to even mention Connor Brown but I will. And, of course, Kadri.

Bleeding assets for little return has plagued this team. Kadri, Moore, Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson, JVR, Bozak & Hyman out the door with only Kerfoot and Muzzin on the team to show for it. Then there's all the draft picks down the drain.

Between 2010 and 2015 Chicago had 53 draft picks, including 6 first round picks and 23 in the first 3 rounds, while winning 3 cups.

Between 2017 and 2022 we have 40 draft picks, only 4 firsts and 14 picks in the first 3 rounds, while never winning a series.

Just stunningly incompetent asset management that will go down in Leafs lore.

 

[4thline]

Out
Nylander / Kerfoot/ Holl / Mrazek

Maybe
Engvall /Kase

Base
Bunting - Matthews - 1RW
2LW- Tavares- Marner
3LW- Kampf-3RW
Clifford* - 4C- Simmonds*
SPF

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin- Liljegren
Sandin- 3RD
SPD

1G
2G

Assuming 1.5 x 2 yrs to each of Liljegren and Sandin that leaves 23.5 million for shopping
4C/3RD/SPF/SD - internal ELC's or depth signings, average 900k per = 3.6m
19.9m remaining for 1RW, 2LW, 3LW, 3RW, 1G, 2G
8m for both goalies + 6 million for 1RW = 14m
5.9m for 2LW, 3LW, 3RW

Internal only, could go with Engvall + Kase + Robertson/Steeves for ~4million, leaving 1.9 in cap space to accrue and go big game hunting with.

Hybrid one of Engvall/Kase and one of Robertson/Steeves for ~2.5 million, leaving 3.4 for some combo of 2LW and deadline space.

Between ELC development and deadline acquisitions Clifford and Simmonds are reg season roster filler

 

[Trapper]

I think you give it one more chance with this core, with some tweaks. In a perfect world, you move JT and get that contract off the books, but with the NMC likely not happening.

We’ve got two more years of AM (although I think he will re-sign) and three years of JT. Four summers from now, a certain 97 will hit the market. You can bet MLSE will have that date circled on their calendar.

For me if this is the last year of Dubas contract, you let it go with him and Keefe. Failure to pass the first round (I don’t care if they lose bad or good) is the end.

A new GM can evaluate and handle next contracts or changing the core/identity.

 

[killer1980]

I really am still trying to figure out all the great moves Dubas has made and why his supporters are so high on him. All I see is ex-Leafs lighting up the league and the Buds making yet another early exit. As far as I'm concerned, all his moves have been to justify the ridiculous signing of 3 unproven playoff performers and another who does not fit in with the GM's vision of a perfect team. The more Dubas tries to dig out of the mess he created, the deeper the hole gets.

 

[ULF_55]

I sure hope that Leafs management knew that Mrazek was injury prone before they committed stupid money to him.

He's probably averaged a little over 40 games a year, so 20 is not normal for Mrazek.

Campbell spotting a .897 in this year's playoffs is kind of misleading, but while he had some great games he also had some nights where he was off.

But if your team only scores 1 ...

 

[Mopar]

Dubas should not be in charge of doing anything further with this team. His time is up.

I don't think it needs to be blown up. There are a lot of areas that need to be looked at, improved on and tweaked. But there's no way Dubas should be trusted to do it. It's time for someone else to take the reigns. This is a results driven business and the results haven't been there.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just get a legitimate #1 goalie

that's all I really want

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Just get a legitimate #1 goalie

that's all I really want

Here's what I want to see:

Bunts - 34 - Marner
Nylander - New Player - Tavares
New Player - Kampf - Blackwell
Engvall - New Player - New Player

On defence, bring back Gio, let Boosh walk, move Holl. If there is any way to bring in a top end RD, do it, so that Brodie is bumped down the depth chart.

New goalies. Try to move Mrazek, run Kallgren as our back up and hope someone on the Marlies applies upward pressure on him. Bring in a new #1.

So to summarize, bring in:
2nd Line C
3rd Line LW
4th line C + RW
Top pairing RD
#1 Goalie

Easy, right? lol

 

[nuck]

Out
Nylander / Kerfoot/ Holl / Mrazek

Maybe
Engvall /Kase

Base
Bunting - Matthews - 1RW
2LW- Tavares- Marner
3LW- Kampf-3RW
Clifford* - 4C- Simmonds*
SPF

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin- Liljegren
Sandin- 3RD
SPD

1G
2G

Assuming 1.5 x 2 yrs to each of Liljegren and Sandin that leaves 23.5 million for shopping
4C/3RD/SPF/SD - internal ELC's or depth signings, average 900k per = 3.6m
19.9m remaining for 1RW, 2LW, 3LW, 3RW, 1G, 2G
8m for both goalies + 6 million for 1RW = 14m
5.9m for 2LW, 3LW, 3RW

Internal only, could go with Engvall + Kase + Robertson/Steeves for ~4million, leaving 1.9 in cap space to accrue and go big game hunting with.

Hybrid one of Engvall/Kase and one of Robertson/Steeves for ~2.5 million, leaving 3.4 for some combo of 2LW and deadline space.

Between ELC development and deadline acquisitions Clifford and Simmonds are reg season roster filler

Mikheyev? I think his money maybe has to go to a goalie. Are Brodie and Muzz going to have enough left next year? Maybe a high end RD acquisition to mitigate some of the vet's decline because they can't ice a worse 6 next playoff and expect to win.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Here's what I want to see:

Bunts - 34 - Marner
Nylander - New Player - Tavares
New Player - Kampf - Blackwell
Engvall - New Player - New Player

On defence, bring back Gio, let Boosh walk, move Holl. If there is any way to bring in a top end RD, do it, so that Brodie is bumped down the depth chart.

New goalies. Try to move Mrazek, run Kallgren as our back up and hope someone on the Marlies applies upward pressure on him. Bring in a new #1.

So to summarize, bring in:
2nd Line C
3rd Line LW
4th line C + RW
Top pairing RD
#1 Goalie

Easy, right? lol

no Kallgren can't be the backup he's not an NHL goalie

 

[4thline]

Mikheyev? I think his money maybe has to go to a goalie. Are Brodie and Muzz going to have enough left next year? Maybe a high end RD acquisition to mitigate some of the vet's decline because they can't ice a worse 6 next playoff and expect to win.

Functionally no longer Leafs property, so his money isn't part of the equation.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

no Kallgren can't be the backup he's not an NHL goalie

That's the least worrisome part, lots of backup goalies out there making 1-2m.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

That's the least worrisome part, lots of backup goalies out there making 1-2m.

maybe that's the problem, maybe it's time to spend some money on the goaltending stop going for the cheapest option

 

[ULF_55]

For me if this is the last year of Dubas contract, you let it go with him and Keefe. Failure to pass the first round (I don’t care if they lose bad or good) is the end.

A new GM can evaluate and handle next contracts or changing the core/identity.

I think you have to start with the coach.
If it isn't the coach it is the players.
And then you look at the GM.

There is too much talent on the team for them to keep failing when it matters. Three players ended PPG in the playoffs. Sure they came up short when it mattered, but they are top end NHL players.

Do they have any talent in the system capable of playing in the NHL?
2017 draft is Lou's and they have Liljegren from that draft.
2018 draft is Dubas and they have Sandin from that.

Is Robertson ever going to be a NHL player? Many are high on him, but to me he has always looked overwhelmed in the NHL. But given he played out the AHL season at PPG, and he'll be 21 to start the NHL season he might be a key asset next fall. His skillset seems to be top 6, and if he could fill that spot on the 2nd. line that would fill a long standing hole in the line-up. But is he a fit with Tavares, or does he play the game too up temple?

Holmberg
Abruzzese
Knies

Kerfoots money might get you a different type of bottom 6 player. Obviously, you aren't going to land a top 6 player for less then 5, and that is if you consider a Connor Garland a top 6 player.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

People saying "run it back" seem to be ignoring that half the team are coming up for new contracts. There's a real possibility that we end up worse unless we can pull a few more Buntings out of our hat. No immediate help coming until Knies finishes his run, unless a Marlie can make a big jump.

 

[The Masters]

The Campbell part is interesting. Did Friedman actually say that or is that just the Twitter guy inserting his own interpretation?

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[Stephen]

Like Brian Burke?

He’s not the only one with that mentality.

 

[Stephen]

People saying "run it back" seem to be ignoring that half the team are coming up for new contracts. There's a real possibility that we end up worse unless we can pull a few more Buntings out of our hat. No immediate help coming until Knies finishes his run, unless a Marlie can make a big jump.

Leafs can’t run it back. They need to restructure cap just to have a normally functional number one goalie and take it from there. The blueline needs a clean up and the middle forward group needs to be reworked significantly. That’s just if you’re tidying up the fringes.