Re-tooling For One More Run With This Core

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I don’t wanna retool with this core unless one of the core is apart of the retool

Otherwise it’s just shuffling deck chairs

But to entertain this thread, I think we need:

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Sakic dumped ROR, Duchene, etc... when he saw it isn't working. He retooled/rebuilt the roster. Took a couple steps back to take 10 steps forward. A competent GM acknowledges their mistake and tries to fix it and do it "Correctly" the next time.


Key Word: Competent GM

We need a competent GM before retooling/rebuilding again. Dubas should not be allowed to shape the future anymore
 
Last year was supposed to be the "summer of kawhi" and we did nothing

Why are we letting Dubas make the franchise changing mood when he's f***ed this up so much

In your opinion, what has he messed up the most? And why was last summer the right time to do the Kawhi trade?
 
Gio has earned over $58m in his career so I would really expect it to be well under market. I don't think you can just he comes for peanuts but I am guessing $2m or less.

Brodie is a lot more effective on the right and that is a really soft left side. I like Bush but if I am looking for a stud top 4 D on the right its him I replace and Lily swaps places with Brodie when he is ready. Is Sandin a future fixture on the left and replacing Gio soon or do you move him and Muzz for a different type of player?

I think 3 is an underpayment for Gio, but maybe he'll sign for 1 year? Depends on whether he still loves the game and has intentions to play beyond this upcoming season.

I agree, Brodie doesn't see to handle the left side as well, but I did think he was perhaps showing cracks this year. I'd still take his thought process over Holl's, but yes the RD really needs Liljegren. Maybe there is someone in the system that can take a spot? I'm fine with Lyubushkin and perhaps another situational dumpster dive RD.
 
The only realistic core piece we can trade is Nylander, and we would likely be on the losing end of that deal, without clearing enough cap space to really upgrade the roster.

For starters, it would make much more sense to move the likes of Mrazek, Kerfoot, and Holl to clear over 9 million in cap space.
None of those 3 should see another game in a Leaf sweater. Include Simmonds on that list. It's still boggles my mind what Kerfoot was thinking going into the corner battling with Hedman when you're a man short. Holl advanced stats look good, but those don't into consideration bonehead plays he's prone to. Simmonds inexplicably took two penalties after the whistle that in a short playoff series make zero sense. Bonehead defines his play as well. Take these things out of our game, and we'd be saying what a great team we have, including management.
 
Sakic dumped ROR, Duchene, etc... when he saw it isn't working. He retooled/rebuilt the roster. Took a couple steps back to take 10 steps forward. A competent GM acknowledges their mistake and tries to fix it and do it "Correctly" the next time.


Key Word: Competent GM

We need a competent GM before retooling/rebuilding again. Dubas should not be allowed to shape the future anymore

Can you imagine the outrage that would happen if Dubas traded O'Rielly and got Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher and the last pick in the 1st round? Then he went on to miss the playoffs for the next 2 years.

I think Dubas is a competent GM. He recognizes when a player isn't working out on the team and he moves on. He's had to do that with Marleau and he did that after signing Nick Ritchie last year too.
 
The only realistic core piece we can trade is Nylander, and we would likely be on the losing end of that deal, without clearing enough cap space to really upgrade the roster.

For starters, it would make much more sense to move the likes of Mrazek, Kerfoot, and Holl to clear over 9 million in cap space.
Why would you assume that they will lose on a Nylander deal? That isn't likely unless the club fixates on a 1 for 1 trade at a position of greater need. You trade him for the best possible return from the club that has the biggest need for him. What you do with the pieces and new cap space is the next step and they have other assets to put into the mix to get the player(s) they most want to add. If it comes down to it quality scoring wingers are the easiest to add UFA in any year although more likely to be Toffoli caliber than Willie.

It still makes sense to move the other three you mention but Mrazek will cost them to dump so he will be the trickiest and might find his way into next years backup roll if they decide to let him rebuild some value.

I am totally down with shaking up the big 4 and if they were to do it, the return would have to be significant. They will also have to spend some of the assets the held onto this year because the good moves Dubas has made are starting to age out.
 


I'm good to move on from Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Kase, Simmonds, Clifford. Would keep Engvall and also Blackwell, maybe Spezza as an extra forward in an NHL equivalent to a Udonis Haslem type role.

Tampa had depth scoring and goals come from Palat, Colton, Perry, Paul, Hagel, Cirelli and even Maroon and Bellemare chipped in. You need your depth to give you some timely goals.
 
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Can you imagine the outrage that would happen if Dubas traded O'Rielly and got Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher and the last pick in the 1st round? Then he went on to miss the playoffs for the next 2 years.

I think Dubas is a competent GM. He recognizes when a player isn't working out on the team and he moves on. He's had to do that with Marleau and he did that after signing Nick Ritchie last year too.

Dubas' track record compared to Sakic's track record is there for all to see. This isn't speculation or some BS/60 stat.

Dubas cannot be trusted with the future of this team. He should not be allowed to shape anything.

Did Sakic come into the GM position with plenty of cap space, team on the rise, plenty of assets/prospects in the Avs system?

Actions and Results speak for themselves. Dubas has shown he is not to be trusted. Period!
 
Dubas' track record compared to Sakic's track record is there for all to see. This isn't speculation or some BS/60 stat.

Dubas cannot be trusted with the future of this team. He should not be allowed to shape anything.

Did Sakic come into the GM position with plenty of cap space, team on the rise, plenty of assets/prospects in the Avs system?

Actions and Results speak for themselves. Dubas has shown he is not to be trusted. Period!
Is this the last year on his GM contract?
 
I don't believe moving him is the answer. I firmly believe we were the better team and deserved to advance. Last year we choked, CBJ we choked. We were much better, just brutal calls and non-calls in game 6-7. We are not far off, blowing up the core isn't the answer.

Move on from Muzzin/Holl, promote Sandin/Lily/ re-sign Gio

Move on from Simmonds/Clifford, promote Robertson, try to re-sign Miky
I think the playoff showed the lack of depth from the bottom two lines. That's where the series was lost, IMO.
Need some players that are harder to play against.
 
Trevor Moore is what Kerfort was supposed to be. I don't want to even mention Connor Brown but I will. And, of course, Kadri.
Those are the prices you pay to get immediate help. We needed to move Zaitsiev contract we had to give up Connor Brown.

Leafs needed a back up goalie with some control and cheap contract that’s the price they had to pay and give up Moore.

They didn’t trade this guys away for nothing like Mason Marchment. They got value in return for immediate help either by a player or cap space.
 
I think you give it one more chance with this core, with some tweaks. In a perfect world, you move JT and get that contract off the books, but with the NMC likely not happening.

We’ve got two more years of AM (although I think he will re-sign) and three years of JT. Four summers from now, a certain 97 will hit the market. You can bet MLSE will have that date circled on their calendar.
 
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In your opinion, what has he messed up the most? And why was last summer the right time to do the Kawhi trade?

JT/ over paying marner/ mrazek ( who is on a 10 team no trade btw)/ tanking a year so he could get rid of Babcock and Undercutting him/ hiring his friend from the Soo/ singing half the team from the Soo/ the foligno deal/ the mcann trade and exposure (we also gave up a center who scored in a game 7 in it)

Because last year was the second year of choking against an inferior opponent.

Why would you allow dubas to make the kawhi deal he hasn't shown he can do what it takes and if it doesn't work then you're firing him and he f***ed the team up.

Fire him let the new gm make the decision.

We partially got 115 points because the NHL wanted to artificially jack up scoring so they made the game soft this year. Which fit our soft team
 
Dubas signed Mrazek for 3.8 mil/year + Modified NTC. Why would Campbell take anything less than that?
Probably he shouldn't.
But two wrongs ...

Who know if Mrazek had been able to stay healthy what his season would have been like?

The question is can Mrazek stay healthy period, or is his physical body done?
 
Those are the prices you pay to get immediate help. We needed to move Zaitsiev contract we had to give up Connor Brown.

Leafs needed a back up goalie with some control and cheap contract that’s the price they had to pay and give up Moore.

They didn’t trade this guys away for nothing like Mason Marchment. They got value in return for immediate help either by a player or cap space.
I kinda believe they gave away a lot mo(o)re than they got. Both Moore and Brown are on the top line. We got an average BU goalie.
 
Those are the prices you pay to get immediate help. We needed to move Zaitsiev contract we had to give up Connor Brown.

Leafs needed a back up goalie with some control and cheap contract that’s the price they had to pay and give up Moore.

They didn’t trade this guys away for nothing like Mason Marchment. They got value in return for immediate help either by a player or cap space.
Not 'had to', chose to.

you could do so much better with that 4 million you gave Jack Campbell
Right now Mrazek is the teams #1 with Kallgren backing up.
How scary is that?
 
Probably he shouldn't.
But two wrongs ...

Who know if Mrazek had been able to stay healthy what his season would have been like?

The question is can Mrazek stay healthy period, or is his physical body done?
Well me might just find out next season. At present he’s the de facto numero uno.
 
Not 'had to', chose to.
That’s fair way to look at it. I think they leafs had to get a back up at that point in the season when they got Campbell. They choose to give up Moore. It is what it is at this point. We can argue about the Brown one as well. It all comes back to the money the core 4 was given and how tight our cap situation was in making these decisions.
 

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