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Rating and contextualizing Hasek's performance in the 1998 Winter Olympics

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5-1, 0.97 GAA, .963 SV%.

Quarterfinals - Czech Republic defeats USA 4-1 (USA outshot Czech Republic 39-19)

Semifinals - Czech Republic defeats Canada 2-1 in Shootout. Hasek denies 5 straight Canadian shooters (Fleury, Bourque, Nieuwendyk, Lindros and Shanahan) as Czech Republic wins the shootout 1-0.

Gold Medal Game - Czech Republic defeats Russia 1-0.

Czech Republic wins Gold Medal with just 12 NHL players on the roster. Hasek essentially stole the gold medal for his country.

It's a pretty "All Time" performance, but of course olympics are such a small sample size.
 
5-1, 0.97 GAA, .963 SV%.

Quarterfinals - Czech Republic defeats USA 4-1 (USA outshot Czech Republic 39-19)

Semifinals - Czech Republic defeats Canada 2-1 in Shootout. Hasek denies 5 straight Canadian shooters (Fleury, Bourque, Nieuwendyk, Lindros and Shanahan) as Czech Republic wins the shootout 1-0.

Gold Medal Game - Czech Republic defeats Russia 1-0.

Czech Republic wins Gold Medal with just 12 NHL players on the roster. Hasek essentially stole the gold medal for his country.

It's a pretty "All Time" performance, but of course olympics are such a small sample size.

Greatest performance in a short tournament by any goalie ever.

Kristers Gudlevskis has probably the greatest single Olympic game ever though in his 2-1 loss to Team Canada in 2014. 55 of 57 shots.
 
Hasek was so deep into the heads of the Canadian shooters he wasn't just living there rent free, he completed a million dollar reno as well.

I remember watching that shootout and all of the shooters were weak in their attempts.

They had lost that shootout before it even began.
 
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Hasek was so deep into the heads of the Canadian shooters he wasn't just living there rent free, he completed a million dollar reno as well.

I remember watching that shootout and all of the shooters were weak in their attempts.

They had lost that shootout before it even began.
Indeed.

But there was also the injuries + stupid shoot-out choices. Imagine if Mario Lemieux, Paul Kariya, and Joe Sakic had been the first three shooters.


Anyway, it was a big moment and a superb performance by the Czechs. I don't know enough about past Olympics to know where to rank it.
 
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Indeed.

But there was also the injuries + stupid shoot-out choices. Imagine if Mario Lemieux, Paul Kariya, and Joe Sakic had been the first three shooters.


Anyway, it was a big moment and a superb performance by the Czechs. I don't know enough about past Olympics to know where to rank it.

I know Gretzky was far into the back nine of his career at this point, but the older I get, the more it irritates me that we were robbed of the spectacle that would have been the great one versus the dominator on such a massive stage.
 
Hasek played great but, no, he definitely didn't steal the gold medal.

The Czechs were very strong at the time, Jagr was excellent, the Reichel/Rucinsky line was excellent, the non-NHLers were great choices....and they played heavy defense, which is the main reason they won.

They were a cohesive group.
 
Hasek played great but, no, he definitely didn't steal the gold medal.

The Czechs were very strong at the time, Jagr was excellent, the Reichel/Rucinsky line was excellent, the non-NHLers were great choices....and they played heavy defense, which is the main reason they won.

They were a cohesive group.
Patera and Prochazka who were the 4th liners throughout the tournament had a great chemistry in the Czech league
 
Hasek was so deep into the heads of the Canadian shooters he wasn't just living there rent free, he completed a million dollar reno as well.

I remember watching that shootout and all of the shooters were weak in their attempts.

They had lost that shootout before it even began.

Yea. I sensed it too. I didn't want to believe it but he sort of was. There was a certain tentativeness in those attempts.

still, he was long not the goal scorer that he once was, but you have got to have Gretzky out there. Maybe he sees something nobody else does and slips one by. He's got to have a turn
 
Shootouts were still pretty alien to Canadian NHLers at the time.

I know they did some in practice but I imagine the European advantage in that department has disappeared to a great extent beyond the fact that a higher proportion of Europeans in the NHL occupy skill-based roles.
 
Hasek was so deep into the heads of the Canadian shooters he wasn't just living there rent free, he completed a million dollar reno as well.

I remember watching that shootout and all of the shooters were weak in their attempts.

They had lost that shootout before it even began.
When they sent Shanahan out, you knew Canada wasn't trying anymore.

Besides, Hasek probably did them a favor. Would Canada rather lose to Russia?
 
Czech Republique outplayed Canada in the Seminar final. The notion that Hasen took this team to Gold on his own is among the biggest Myths of hockey.
 
Hasek was great but it's somewhat overblown. The Czech roster wasn't great but the team played well in front of him, especially defensively. The game against Canada is famous but it isn't as if Hasek stole the game or anything, as the Czechs played better for the most part. Hasek was great in the overtime though. It's sort of reminiscent of the idea that Hasek carried Buffalo to the Stanley Cup finals in 1999, when in reality he was great but the team pulled its own weight.
 
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Hasek really bailed the Czechs out in the quarters against the U.S. team, for some reason that is barely brought up. Here he is in his own words about the shootout against Canada:

We didn’t use any video. But I knew these guys from all-star games and playoffs and the regular season in the NHL. I knew their tendencies to shoot or deke. The only guy that surprised me was Lindros. He deked and almost beat me.

All I remember from that shootout was I was trying to stay focused because I was tired. In between shots, I went to our bench to sit and rest. I wouldn’t even watch our shooters. I would just watch the reaction from my teammates.

I didn’t think much at the time about Wayne Gretzky not being one of the Canadian shooters. But later I thought it was strange.


 
I thought the Czechs played so well defensively and as a team that Hasek didn't do as much as we remember. In the Team Canada game, we barely pressured in their own zone. We were horribly miscast on the big ice with the players we picked, and the shootout choices were awful as well. Bourque looked bad, Nieuwendyk didn't even get a shot on net and Shanahan came in as slow as molasses. The only two that did well were Fleury and Lindros. Fleury had the right idea, he shot high. It hit Hasek in the shoulder and went up above the cross bar. Close. Lindros skated in like a bull in a china shop (why don't players do this on a penalty shot these days) and Hasek was forced to back up and essentially he was beat but Lindros backhanded it off the post. Hasek didn't know where it was, his last defense was just lying on his back hoping for the best.

So I think he had his moments, but I don't know if it was an all-time great performance. 1998 was the height of a time when a team with less talent than another team could play defense and basically just bore the other team to death and pounce on their chances. Don't get me wrong, the Czechs did this to a tee to perfection, but I don't think it meant Hasek had to stand on his head.
 
I agree that the Czechs were phenomenal, but I strongly question whether any other goalie would have been capable of shutting down their opponents to that extent, regardless of the defense in front of him.

Hasek had a .963 in that tournament. Roy and Shtalenkov were in the .930-.935 range. If we assume 30 shots against in a typical game, that means Hasek was a full goal-per-game better than his best competitors. He won the medal round games 2-1 and 1-0. That speaks for itself.
 
I agree that the Czechs were phenomenal, but I strongly question whether any other goalie would have been capable of shutting down their opponents to that extent, regardless of the defense in front of him.

Hasek had a .963 in that tournament. Roy and Shtalenkov were in the .930-.935 range. If we assume 30 shots against in a typical game, that means Hasek was a full goal-per-game better than his best competitors. He won the medal round games 2-1 and 1-0. That speaks for itself.

This.

Hell, in the medal round he posted an absurd .978/0.67 against the US, Canada and Russia
 
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Contextualize it:

He was near the tail end of his 4th Hart trophy finalist nomination in a 5-year span, his 2nd Hart victory.

He was on a Himilayan run of mountain highs never seen before or since in hockey history.

I was 29 years old, a newspaper reporter at the time, and our headline read: Hasek stumps all again
 
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I re watched the shootout a couple days ago. Lindros did make a strong effort, so props to him.

But the other 4 were bad. The Czechs did play a strong team game no doubt. They deserve alot of credit. But hasek was the MVP of the whole tournament. Can't deny that.

The Canadian player choices were bigger and slower than what was needed for the big ice.
 
I agree that the Czechs were phenomenal, but I strongly question whether any other goalie would have been capable of shutting down their opponents to that extent, regardless of the defense in front of him.

Hasek had a .963 in that tournament. Roy and Shtalenkov were in the .930-.935 range. If we assume 30 shots against in a typical game, that means Hasek was a full goal-per-game better than his best competitors. He won the medal round games 2-1 and 1-0. That speaks for itself.
No hate but You seriously have to improve your maths skills.
 
No hate but You seriously have to improve your maths skills.
30 * .963 = 28.89
30 * .930 or .935 = 27.9 or 28.05

If you're hung up on the word "whole" then yes, that's a difference of between 0.99 and 0.84 goals per game. But since you can't score 0.84 of a goal, rounding the number and using the word "whole" as colour in the written argument is perfectly understandable.
 
Shootouts were still pretty alien to Canadian NHLers at the time.

I know they did some in practice but I imagine the European advantage in that department has disappeared to a great extent beyond the fact that a higher proportion of Europeans in the NHL occupy skill-based roles.

I’m not sure why shootouts should have been that much of an advantage for European teams at that point, the argument would have to rely heavily on “the skilled Euro game/player type”, which I guess is fair enough, but I still find it odd that a Canadian all-star team wouldn’t have game breaking 1-on-1 talent or be less experienced/prepared for shootouts.

My argument being: as far as I can tell, deciding games in shootouts wasn’t common in Europe at the time. The Swedish league didn’t do away with ties and begin deciding RS games with shootouts until the 1999-00 season, and the Czech league didn’t until 2000-01. Shootouts doesn’t seem to have decided games in the World Championships much either, the format changed several times from year to year but as late as the 1997 tournament they had a points based system allowing games to end in draws, and a best-of-three finals. I suspect because the 1994 Olympic finals famously ended in a shootout, and IIHF tournaments/the Olympics having an aura of “European hockey” with things like big ice, stingy reffing and shootouts sticking out for NHL fans, people make assumptions. The World Championship elimination rounds at times in the 90s decided games in shootouts should it come down to it, but I only found two occasions between Lillehammer 1994 and Nagano 1998 where this happened, and both times Canada was involved and won: in the 1994 gold medal game Canada beat Finland in a shootout (Robitaille and Ranford the heroes), and in 1996 Canada overcame Russia in the quarterfinals in a shootout.

So basically, shootouts don’t seem to have been commonplace in European leagues in the 90s, and as far as I know even players with a ton of national team experience would extremely rarely or perhaps never have been in one. The Czechs might have been better prepared in 1998, they should have been well aware that their best bet at overcoming a team like Canada’s would be keeping it a low-scoring affair, which substantially raises the chances of a shootout, and Canada might have underestimated their opponents, but I’m not convinced the Czechs were favored because of having more experience with the concept.
 
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I think these are all the elimination games decided in a shootout in international competition up until Nagano:



At the 1992 Olympics Canada beat Germany in the quarterfinals.



At the 1992 World Championships Finland beat Czechoslovakia in the semifinals.



At the 1994 Olympics Sweden beat Canada in the finals.



At the 1994 World Championships Canada beat Finland in the finals.



At the 1996 World Championships Canada beat Russia in the semifinals.



International shootout experience:

Canada: 3-1

Finland: 1-1

Sweden: 1-0

Czechoslovakia: 0-1

Germany: 0-1

Russia: 0-1



The Swedish league was the first from a major hockey nation to have regular season games decided in shootouts, in 1999-00. The German league seems to have had continuous overtime in regular season games the year prior, but replaced this with a shootout the same year as the Swedish league did.



More just to say, it might have been true in the 2000s until the lockout that Euro league players were more used to the concept, but throughout the 90s they only occurred about once in every other major international tournament, and the majority of times Canada was involved.
 
I think these are all the elimination games decided in a shootout in international competition up until Nagano:



At the 1992 Olympics Canada beat Germany in the quarterfinals.



At the 1992 World Championships Finland beat Czechoslovakia in the semifinals.



At the 1994 Olympics Sweden beat Canada in the finals.



At the 1994 World Championships Canada beat Finland in the finals.



At the 1996 World Championships Canada beat Russia in the semifinals.



International shootout experience:

Canada: 3-1

Finland: 1-1

Sweden: 1-0

Czechoslovakia: 0-1

Germany: 0-1

Russia: 0-1



The Swedish league was the first from a major hockey nation to have regular season games decided in shootouts, in 1999-00. The German league seems to have had continuous overtime in regular season games the year prior, but replaced this with a shootout the same year as the Swedish league did.



More just to say, it might have been true in the 2000s until the lockout that Euro league players were more used to the concept, but throughout the 90s they only occurred about once in every other major international tournament, and the majority of times Canada was involved.

I think it's more in terms of preparedness rather than experience. There have been various articles regarding Canada's failure in 1998 and the players and management have talked various times about how the shootout was something that they barely practiced or considered, in a way that wouldn't be true ever again. As part of the hockey culture in Canada it wouldn't have been something that those guys grew up practicing or had even considered. It also gets a lot of attention for being, at the time and still today, the biggest shootout that Canada had ever participated in and just how bad Canada's shooters looked.

None of that means that Canada was bound to lose or that the Czechs had some huge advantage in the shootout. In terms of hockey culture, Canada losing a best on best tournament in a shootout, of all things, was something that people fixated on more than people not there at the time would expect. It's faded away a lot since the NHL adopted the shootout but most fans in Canada really, really hated shootouts regardless of the outcome.
 
I think it's more in terms of preparedness rather than experience. There have been various articles regarding Canada's failure in 1998 and the players and management have talked various times about how the shootout was something that they barely practiced or considered, in a way that wouldn't be true ever again. As part of the hockey culture in Canada it wouldn't have been something that those guys grew up practicing or had even considered. It also gets a lot of attention for being, at the time and still today, the biggest shootout that Canada had ever participated in and just how bad Canada's shooters looked.

None of that means that Canada was bound to lose or that the Czechs had some huge advantage in the shootout. In terms of hockey culture, Canada losing a best on best tournament in a shootout, of all things, was something that people fixated on more than people not there at the time would expect. It's faded away a lot since the NHL adopted the shootout but most fans in Canada really, really hated shootouts regardless of the outcome.

I agree preparations is the key word here. Team Canada might’ve made a few odd choices and failed to prepare properly for the possibility of a shootout, and I think it’s very possible the Czechs had planned for it much more intently considering their defensive style. There are parallels to soccer here, where less talented squads are likely to adopt a defensive system, practice set pieces and penalty kicks to a much greater extent, and look more comfortable running out the clock than the favored team, as they are aware their chances to advance increases with the randomness of penalty shootouts rather than trying to force a goal in regulation.

Similarly to the DPE in hockey, and the low-scoring Nagano Olympics, that gradually informed rule changes in international hockey and professional leagues alike, soccer had a trend of more teams going in the direction of, and finding success with increasingly structured defensive and lead-protecting tactics, culminating in the abysmal, historically low-scoring 1990 World Cup in Italy where a ton of games ended in shootouts or with 1-0 scores, which informed several rule and format changes throughout the 90s.

Problem I have is it’s not the first time I’ve sensed the notion from some of hockey shootouts being something European, that it’s been part of “our game” since forever and that we enjoy games being decided with a gimmick, which is unfair as it’s just not true. Our leagues have playoffs, we play 20 minute overtime periods until someone scores a winner, and we wouldn’t want it any other way.

I wonder if it’s due to the prevalence of shootouts in soccer that some North Americans have figured that European hockey fans supposedly love them or that it’s the reason they snuck into hockey, because I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Swede or any other hockey fan say they enjoy games being decided in a shootout. But I suppose we don’t whine about the 1994 gold not feeling real, on the other hand: it’s unfortunately the format. In retrospect, I don’t value the gold as highly for reasons including the fact it was decided in a shootout, but also because it wasn’t a best-on-best. Had it not been for that move making Forsberg a household name, I think the historical Olympic success would have been soon-forgotten once Turin happened.

What a weird rant against no one this became, sorry about that, but to close my argument against the strawmen:

The reasons they changed the format of international tournaments into quarterfinals, semis, etc, where you can’t have ties, I’d say is mostly due to the risks of unsportsmanlike manipulation within that format. In the 1991 WHC we saw an example of such, when the Soviets despite being just one goal down against Sweden in the final matchup never pulled their goalie, as Tikhonov preferred Sweden winning gold over Canada, which would have been the case had they forced the game into a draw.

And the reason we’re not allowed to have continuous overtime in IIHF competitions I would suspect is mainly due to broadcasting rights holders demanding games finish at some point.
 
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