Ranking Dubas' best transactions - #3

[Tufted Titmouse]

1. Drafting Knies 57th overall
2. Muzzin trade

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[DarkKnight]

When he traded his family for ambition.

 

[ponder]

Brodie signing. He’s starting to decline a bit now, but he’s overall been terrific for us, and came at a reasonable price.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Brodie signing. He’s starting to decline a bit now, but he’s overall been terrific for us, and came at a reasonable price.

I am not really sure what to think of Brodie. He's been so good until about 3/4 of the way through last season, and then...just...died out there. Could barely skate, couldn't kill a penalty, was walked or embarrassed many times, lost a lot of board battles. He looked like mini-Justin Holl in the playoffs.

Really hope he rebounds, or else our d core is going to be real tough to watch.

 

[Nineteen67]

I am not really sure what to think of Brodie. He's been so good until about 3/4 of the way through last season, and then...just...died out there. Could barely skate, couldn't kill a penalty, was walked or embarrassed many times, lost a lot of board battles. He looked like mini-Justin Holl in the playoffs.

Really hope he rebounds, or else our d core is going to be real tough to watch.

If he wasn’t injured, they’re in big trouble on D

 

[Stephen]

I actually thought the Amirov pick for Kapanen was one of his best asset management moves. But that was just an unknowable tragedy and beyond anything hockey related.

 

[ponder]

I am not really sure what to think of Brodie. He's been so good until about 3/4 of the way through last season, and then...just...died out there. Could barely skate, couldn't kill a penalty, was walked or embarrassed many times, lost a lot of board battles. He looked like mini-Justin Holl in the playoffs.

Really hope he rebounds, or else our d core is going to be real tough to watch.

Yeah agreed, he quite suddenly dropped off late last season. While I’m sure age plays a factor, I’m hoping it was mostly an injury, and he’ll be fine this year.

Even if it is a rapid age related decline, though, it’s a 4 year contract, and we got, at a minimum, just under 3 very good years out of it. But hopefully 4 good years - it does seem reasonable that he was injured and will bounce back, as it was such a sudden/stark drop off about 3/4 of the way through the season.

 

[kevsh]

Brodie was a great signing. The blueline badly needed someone that could play D and he made it clear very quickly he could do just that.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I actually thought the Amirov pick for Kapanen was one of his best asset management moves. But that was just an unknowable tragedy and beyond anything hockey related.

I voted for that, it was a hell of a trade. 1 year later Kapanen was a healthy scratch. I'm not sure if he's even in the league anymore, but I know his salary was looked at as dead weight for a while.

From day 1 that felt like a fleecing.

 

[Mess]

I actually thought the Amirov pick for Kapanen was one of his best asset management moves. But that was just an unknowable tragedy and beyond anything hockey related.

But with Dubas its never that simple.

Leafs had the #13 overall pick in 2020 draft and Dubas sent it to Carolina to dump the Marleau contract in part to re-sign Kapanen and Johnsson both RFA with no cap space because of the JT signing a year earlier.

Then a year later Dubas realized Leafs were still in Cap Hell and then traded Kapanen anyways to recapture a 1st rounder.

So to me the Kapanen trade was an attempt to break-even and correcting a past mistake which is often the case with Dubas and I don't see it in isolation as a good move. A good move would have been trading Kapanaen a year earlier as an RFA and not dealing away the pick that became Seth Jarvis, then Leafs would have made 2 X 1st rounders instead.

Seth Jarvis & Amirov would have been a good move to trade Kapaanen.

2020 Entry draft results.

PS. Sadly the tragedy of the outcome of Amirov situation certainly not a factor that could have been predictable nor unavoidable.

 

[Racer88]

When he traded his family for ambition.

I was going to say when he traded his soul for ambition but family works good too

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

But with Dubas its never that simple.

Leafs had the #13 overall pick in 2020 draft and Dubas sent it to Carolina to dump the Marleau contract in part to re-sign Kapanen and Johnsson both RFA with no cap space because of the JT signing a year earlier.

Then a year later Dubas realized Leafs were still in Cap Hell and then traded Kapanen anyways to recapture a 1st rounder.

So to me the Kapanen trade was an attempt to break-even and correcting a past mistake which is often the case with Dubas and I don't see it in isolation as a good move. A good move would have been trading Kapanaen a year earlier as an RFA and not dealing away the pick that became Seth Jarvis, then Leafs would have made 2 X 1st rounders instead.

Seth Jarvis & Amirov would have been a good move to trade Kapaanen.

2020 Entry draft results.

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PS. Sadly the tragedy of the outcome of Amirov situation certainly not a factor that could have been predictable nor unavoidable.

So basically you agreeing that the Kapanen trade was good?

All that other "context" is garbage when choosing specific transactions.

 

[Mess]

So basically you agreeing that the Kapanen trade was good?

All that other "context" is garbage when choosing specific transactions.

In Full respect of the young Amirov I'm not going to debate the merits of the pick itself.

I wish he could have become an NHL HOFer in his career, and his loss will always be seen as a sad tradegy for a promising young player.

 

[Stephen]

But with Dubas its never that simple.

Leafs had the #13 overall pick in 2020 draft and Dubas sent it to Carolina to dump the Marleau contract in part to re-sign Kapanen and Johnsson both RFA with no cap space because of the JT signing a year earlier.

Then a year later Dubas realized Leafs were still in Cap Hell and then traded Kapanen anyways to recapture a 1st rounder.

So to me the Kapanen trade was an attempt to break-even and correcting a past mistake which is often the case with Dubas and I don't see it in isolation as a good move. A good move would have been trading Kapanaen a year earlier as an RFA and not dealing away the pick that became Seth Jarvis, then Leafs would have made 2 X 1st rounders instead.

Seth Jarvis & Amirov would have been a good move to trade Kapaanen.

2020 Entry draft results.

View attachment 736501

PS. Sadly the tragedy of the outcome of Amirov situation certainly not a factor that could have been predictable nor unavoidable.

There’s definitely an alternative solution where the Leafs didn’t sink $6 million plus on duds Kapanen and Johnsson so we could have slogged through with Marleau and kept the Jarvis pick, maybe flipped Johnsson and Kapanen a year early.

Getting the Amirov pick was a triumph at the time. Cap was flattening out and Pittsburgh was just so dumb giving up a high pick. The rest of that story was obviously tragic so we won’t dwell too much on the hockey side of things out of respect to poor Rodion.

 

[supermann_98]

I am not really sure what to think of Brodie. He's been so good until about 3/4 of the way through last season, and then...just...died out there. Could barely skate, couldn't kill a penalty, was walked or embarrassed many times, lost a lot of board battles. He looked like mini-Justin Holl in the playoffs.

Really hope he rebounds, or else our d core is going to be real tough to watch.

To be fair the same could be said for Liljegren. Keefe ruined both of them by sitting one or the other to keep his pet Holl happy. With Keefe still around I don’t see that changing (the shuffling of lines, obv Holl is gone), unless Treliving takes him aside and stops the constant lineup changes and mixing/matching of D pairings on a nightly basis