Better question is does he have the wrong intentions and go home crying when not gifted a spot since that is what actually impacts playing time
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Or does he have the best intentions and the hearts of the organization even though it's clear that he hasn't been able to play at an NHL level for several years now?
You plan to make the playoffs, but if puck luck isn’t going your way, you do light asset stripping and reboot for next year.
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No college, junior or overseas player will be as physically developed as they can get if they aren't playing in the NHL where their fitness training and schedule will be light years better. A college hockey player has to go to class and workout with non professional fitness guys. The difference of him now dedicating all his time to his career and working with the best fitness people in his sport compared to playing in college is so large it's laughable.
You don't think the top European teams have great strength and conditioning programs?
I do agree that what you'd have in college is not the same as what you'd have at the professional level, due to NCAA restrictions on practice time, but college teams DO have professional strength coaches, athletic trainers, etc. They're not working out with some random bro spending his sixth year in the dorms. They have their own unique workout programs developed by really qualified people. Like the guy at Cornell who would work with Barron, he was the athletic trainer for US Olympic wrestling teams. He's not some amateur.
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i strongly dispute above. with regard to D1 NCAA programs, especially in the top conferences.
They have more time to train, and over last 20 years conditioning has become a central part of most programs
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You don't think the top European teams have great strength and conditioning programs?
I do agree that what you'd have in college is not the same as what you'd have at the professional level, due to NCAA restrictions on practice time, but college teams DO have professional strength coaches, athletic trainers, etc. They're not working out with some random bro spending his sixth year in the dorms. They have their own unique workout programs developed by really qualified people. Like the guy at Cornell who would work with Barron, he was the athletic trainer for US Olympic wrestling teams. He's not some amateur.
Imagine thinking the SHL, KHL and Liiga don't have the same level of intensity with coaches helping out these players. Just because they aren't the top players in the world, that doesn't mean the strength and conditioning is inferior. You should see the training regiment some of these players go through. All you need to do is follow the Twitter accounts of Frölunda, Rögle, Luleå, SKA, CSKA, Jokerit, Tappara, TPS etc to see what players do during practice every day. It's not that hard to find. There are interviews with players floating around online somewhere saying that the pre-season practice in the KHL is much harder than the NHL because it's more focused on edurance and power.
I won't even get into the NCAA part since you already did. Great bit of info.
Unless it's changed (which is possible), the NCAA rule for non-football programs was 20 hours of team activities per week and no more than four per day in-season. It was like 10 hours or something not in season. Practice was counted in those numbers. So, time was limited for official stuff. Obviously, the players were free to work out on their own or if they self-organized activities. So for those that placed a great emphasis on athletic training, they could definitely be getting reps comparable to what you'd get in a professional setting. It would really be up to the player. I haven't read much on Barron and his workout habits, but I know it's been said many times that K'Andre Miller basically lived at the gym and at the rink even when there were no official activities taking place. He'll probably step into camp with a pro-level physique.
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ZBad, Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Buchnevich all just called to say "hi".
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Let's not ruin a narrative.
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Amazing Kreiderman
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Of course, it's either that their natural talent shown through or the Rangers ruined the development.
Zbad came from Ottawa, Fox jumped straight in from college (drafted elsewhere), Lindgren had 1 year in Hartford(drafted elsewhere) and Buchnevich has taken twice as long as most prospects to get it going.
So you got Kreider(as self motivated a player as you’ll see) Fast, Fogarty, Buchnevich, Gettinger ,Chytil , Crawley, Kakko and Shestyorkin in a decade of drafted prospects. From 2007-2017 drafts they got 16 players on NHL rosters, 3 of whom were shipped out as damaged goods. To be average, you should have 23 players on rosters in the league.
To quote the immortal Derrick Coleman, “Whoop-de-damn-do!”
You are likening ZBad's play in Ottawa to what he has been doing here?
Who cares that Fox jumped in from college or where he was drafted? Do you really believe that the coaching staff had nothing to dowith getting him to a point that he can play at the NHL level and keeping him there?
And also who cares where Lindgren was drafted? Was he not being developed at Hartford or during most of the season with the big club?
Buchnevich is 25 years old and has established himself as a solid 2nd line player. 3 years ago (at 22) he broke 40 points for the first time, in his first full season. How is that twice as long as most prospects? Which ones got to at least 40 points in their first full season?
Not really sure of what you are driving at here. You do realize that there were multiple years with no first or second round picks, right?
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but that would invalidate the argument that we never draft, sign or trade good players
True 'dat. If people really want to see an age of poor development, they have no further to go than the Dark Ages and even the Leetch trade
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I got some news for you brother...
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you don't get credit for developing a player by leaving him in college, it doesn't fit the narrative. get with the program.
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