Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 1.12.21)

[SnowblindNYR]

If you disagree with him, he accuses you of bullying

Thinnest skinned legend ever.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Thinnest skinned legend ever.

He's a boxscore expert

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He's a boxscore expert

Thats being too kind

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Thats being too kind

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[nyr2k2]

I'm really excited about Jones. He's strictly an offensive guy or is he sound defensively?

He's a good two-way player. He's a really smart player who knows where to be, makes good reads, and just processes things at a high level. He's neither big nor strong, so he's not going to be clearing the slot or winning battles in the corner through force.

Solid two-way defenseman.

 

[kovazub94]

HockeyDB IDIOT savant

Fixed

 

[Edge]

I'm really excited about Jones. He's strictly an offensive guy or is he sound defensively?

He’s better than he gets credit for. There’s no getting around that he has work to do in order to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. To that last point, he’s a smart player who knows he isn’t going to out-muscle players in his zone. He’s also not going to necessarily beat faster/better competition to the puck. But he’s a smart player and he’s good at anticipating where the play is going and getting himself into position. Continuing to develop and fine tune that ability is going to be his path to fighting for an NHL spot.

 

[Edge]

You can totally make the case for LA's system over ours.

I wouldn't put them ahead because I'm not sold on Byfield OR Turcotte as big time NHL difference makers, but they have quality and quantity through out that system.

Kaliyev as an A level prospect is something I can't get on board with. I can't see him being an impact NHL'er with the way that he plays the same. At the very best, I see a Kotalik type guy.

I think LA has a very good system. I personally like our high-end talent better than theirs, and like our depth a bit better.

I feel like their prospects are sandwiched between our top guys and our second tier guys. (I did a comparison a few months back that pretty much reflected that when I worked it into a “list” form.

 

[Edge]

Seems like outside of HFNYR everyone thinks that K'Andre Miller is a forgettable prospect. Who's right?

I don’t think he’s forgettable so much as unpredictable for many people. I think there are a lot of really enticing tools there. But I do have my doubts all the tools quite come together the way his biggest fans hope. I think, much like Kravtsov, he’s going to be a player that fans will be somewhat divided about. In that sense, Miller/Kravtsov could fill the roles often held by guys like Kreider and Buchnevich - really good “results” just not quite the sum of the parts that some were looking for.

But the final product for Miller could be more of the “unique” variety than the “spectacular” kind. I think he has a shot to be a guy who covers a lot of ground, plays in different situations and keeps teams on their toes.

What he might not be is a higher end point producer or someone whose impact is readily seen by reading a box score or simply viewing highlights. So in that sense, I think he’s going to be hard for certain fans and even some observers to really wrap their head around unless they follow him closely.

I suspect there may also be some growing pains with Miller and my hope is that fans remain patient. There very well could be games where Miller looks like he is ready to seize the game by the throat. But there may also be games where fans have flashbacks of Brady Skjei.

I think his natural tools will give Miller a puncher’s chance, but a lot is going to depend on his ability to identify plays, enhance his understanding of the game (as opposed to relying on physical gifts) and really figuring out when and where to utilize his talents - knowing when to hang back, knowing when to take the puck himself, understanding that he has the size and speed to match most opponents and doesn’t need to be overly aggressive in his approach to the puck in his own end - AKA, sometimes the other guy has the slight edge on getting to the puck first, but he isn’t getting around you afterwards because you can take away his options without taking yourself out of the play.

 

[egelband]

He's a good two-way player. He's a really smart player who knows where to be, makes good reads, and just processes things at a high level. He's neither big nor strong, so he's not going to be clearing the slot or winning battles in the corner through force.

Solid two-way defenseman.

Sounds Foxy.

 

[egelband]

I don’t think he’s forgettable so much as unpredictable for many people. I think there are a lot of really enticing tools there. But I do have my doubts all the tools quite come together the way his biggest fans hope. I think, much like Kravtsov, he’s going to be a player that fans will be somewhat divided about. In that sense, Miller/Kravtsov could fill the roles often held by guys like Kreider and Buchnevich - really good “results” just not quite the sum of the parts that some were looking for.

But the final product for Miller could be more of the “unique” variety than the “spectacular” kind. I think he has a shot to be a guy who covers a lot of ground, plays in different situations and keeps teams on their toes.

What he might not be is a higher end point producer or someone whose impact is readily seen by reading a box score or simply viewing highlights. So in that sense, I think he’s going to be hard for certain fans and even some observers to really wrap their head around unless they follow him closely.

I suspect there may also be some growing pains with Miller and my hope is that fans remain patient. There very well could be games where Miller looks like he is ready to seize the game by the throat. But there may also be games where fans have flashbacks of Brady Skjei.

I think his natural tools will give Miller a puncher’s chance, but a lot is going to depend on his ability to identify plays, enhance his understanding of the game (as opposed to relying on physical gifts) and really figuring out when and where to utilize his talents - knowing when to hang back, knowing when to take the puck himself, understanding that he has the size and speed to match most opponents and doesn’t need to be overly aggressive in his approach to the puck in his own end - AKA, sometimes the other guy has the slight edge on getting to the puck first, but he isn’t getting around you afterwards because you can take away his options without taking yourself out of the play.

I haven’t seen much of KAM but from what I glean, I’m hoping he’s something like a young and well Marc Staal. Maybe a bit faster even. But basically a shutdown defender who can turn his side of the ice into a real...quagmire for opponents.
And like Staal, I’m not expecting much offense. Which doesn’t bother me at all.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don’t think he’s forgettable so much as unpredictable for many people. I think there are a lot of really enticing tools there. But I do have my doubts all the tools quite come together the way his biggest fans hope. I think, much like Kravtsov, he’s going to be a player that fans will be somewhat divided about. In that sense, Miller/Kravtsov could fill the roles often held by guys like Kreider and Buchnevich - really good “results” just not quite the sum of the parts that some were looking for.

But the final product for Miller could be more of the “unique” variety than the “spectacular” kind. I think he has a shot to be a guy who covers a lot of ground, plays in different situations and keeps teams on their toes.

What he might not be is a higher end point producer or someone whose impact is readily seen by reading a box score or simply viewing highlights. So in that sense, I think he’s going to be hard for certain fans and even some observers to really wrap their head around unless they follow him closely.

I suspect there may also be some growing pains with Miller and my hope is that fans remain patient. There very well could be games where Miller looks like he is ready to seize the game by the throat. But there may also be games where fans have flashbacks of Brady Skjei.

I think his natural tools will give Miller a puncher’s chance, but a lot is going to depend on his ability to identify plays, enhance his understanding of the game (as opposed to relying on physical gifts) and really figuring out when and where to utilize his talents - knowing when to hang back, knowing when to take the puck himself, understanding that he has the size and speed to match most opponents and doesn’t need to be overly aggressive in his approach to the puck in his own end - AKA, sometimes the other guy has the slight edge on getting to the puck first, but he isn’t getting around you afterwards because you can take away his options without taking yourself out of the play.

I really hope people (and the Rangers) are patient with him, because I think he can develop into a unique defenseman, who can single handedly smoother plays in the neutral zone and in his own end while putting 35-40 points...

...IF given the necessary time to develop, and fans are able to appreciate what kind of valuable player that would be and don’t get hung up on the fact that those 35-40 points aren’t more like 55-60.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

I don’t think he’s forgettable so much as unpredictable for many people. I think there are a lot of really enticing tools there. But I do have my doubts all the tools quite come together the way his biggest fans hope. I think, much like Kravtsov, he’s going to be a player that fans will be somewhat divided about. In that sense, Miller/Kravtsov could fill the roles often held by guys like Kreider and Buchnevich - really good “results” just not quite the sum of the parts that some were looking for.

But the final product for Miller could be more of the “unique” variety than the “spectacular” kind. I think he has a shot to be a guy who covers a lot of ground, plays in different situations and keeps teams on their toes.

What he might not be is a higher end point producer or someone whose impact is readily seen by reading a box score or simply viewing highlights. So in that sense, I think he’s going to be hard for certain fans and even some observers to really wrap their head around unless they follow him closely.

I suspect there may also be some growing pains with Miller and my hope is that fans remain patient. There very well could be games where Miller looks like he is ready to seize the game by the throat. But there may also be games where fans have flashbacks of Brady Skjei.

I think his natural tools will give Miller a puncher’s chance, but a lot is going to depend on his ability to identify plays, enhance his understanding of the game (as opposed to relying on physical gifts) and really figuring out when and where to utilize his talents - knowing when to hang back, knowing when to take the puck himself, understanding that he has the size and speed to match most opponents and doesn’t need to be overly aggressive in his approach to the puck in his own end - AKA, sometimes the other guy has the slight edge on getting to the puck first, but he isn’t getting around you afterwards because you can take away his options without taking yourself out of the play.

I listen to nothing about what others say on our prospects. The anti-NY hatred has been going on for decades by prospect rankers. The small market dudes hate NY and always have. Miller has immense tools. He had a pathetic and incompetent coaching staff at Wisconsin. He's going to the perfect coach to get him on track with the Pack. He should immediately start improving his game.

 

[RGY]

I listen to nothing about what others say on our prospects. The anti-NY hatred has been going on for decades by prospect rankers. The small market dudes hate NY and always have. Miller has immense tools. He had a pathetic and incompetent coaching staff at Wisconsin. He's going to the perfect coach to get him on track with the Pack. He should immediately start improving his game.

The whole post was pretty comical, but this was the best part.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The whole post was pretty comical, but this was the best part.

I think the first 4 words in that post are spot-on

 

[RGY]

I think the first 4 words in that post are spot-on

Haha, you know, that was the other part I was considering highlighting and just responding with “we know”. But then I kept reading and found something else more entertaining

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Haha, you know, that was the other part I was considering highlighting and just responding with “we know”. But then I kept reading and found something else more entertaining

The gift that keeps on giving

 

[The S5]

In other news, becoming an NHL standout is hard.

 

[nyr2k2]

The whole post was pretty comical, but this was the best part.

I wouldn't call Granato pathetic or inept by any stretch, but he has really struggled since taking over the Wisconsin program (and vice versa). I mean you follow that program and you'll hear a lot of complaints about what Granato and his staff have done there. They have had a lot of talent and really underachieved. Granato reached his peak like 15 years ago and is now at his nadir.

 

[Edge]

I really hope people (and the Rangers) are patient with him, because I think he can develop into a unique defenseman, who can single handedly smoother plays in the neutral zone and in his own end while putting 35-40 points...

...IF given the necessary time to develop, and fans are able to appreciate what kind of valuable player that would be and don’t get hung up on the fact that those 35-40 points aren’t more like 55-60.

Player comparisons are always a bit of a nightmare, but stylistically a finished product where Miller has all or most of the pieces in the right place looks somewhat stylistically like Bouwmeester.

A big body, who can skate and cover a lot of ground, who can play a two-way game and support the play in a number of ways. There will be points, though maybe not as much as one might think with the speed/skill package, and there will be physical play - but he won’t be a banger. Getting around the “should there be more?” questions could be difficult. But if one is able to do that, they’d be able to enjoy a very good defenseman for many years.

The key difference is that Miller doesn’t have all the pieces in the proper spots like Bouwmeester did at the same ages. He’s not as close to the finished product, though there’s a decent amount of overlap in the blueprints.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think Miller will be a point producer at the NHL level. He has a great shot and is already very adept at carrying the puck up ice. He has good vision and good feel for things in the offensive zone, probably owing to playing forward until he was 16.

He's going to make rookie mistakes and a lot of them. At the same time, he can already do things better than some of the guys on our roster. With his big wing span and excellent lateral and backward mobility, he really commands his own blue line and makes it really hard for the opponent to have clean entries. He's also great at controlled exits, can control the crease better than anyone other than Trouba or Smith, and (against college opposition) is almost unbeatable in the corners.

He makes bad decisions. There's no doubt. I am fully confident that part of his game will settle down with time, with experience, better coaching, and playing with NHL players. He's supposedly a real workout warrior and a guy who spends a ton of time on the ice and wants to be coached up. I think he'll do great.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

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[2014nyr]

I don’t think he’s forgettable so much as unpredictable for many people. I think there are a lot of really enticing tools there. But I do have my doubts all the tools quite come together the way his biggest fans hope. I think, much like Kravtsov, he’s going to be a player that fans will be somewhat divided about. In that sense, Miller/Kravtsov could fill the roles often held by guys like Kreider and Buchnevich - really good “results” just not quite the sum of the parts that some were looking for.

But the final product for Miller could be more of the “unique” variety than the “spectacular” kind. I think he has a shot to be a guy who covers a lot of ground, plays in different situations and keeps teams on their toes.

What he might not be is a higher end point producer or someone whose impact is readily seen by reading a box score or simply viewing highlights. So in that sense, I think he’s going to be hard for certain fans and even some observers to really wrap their head around unless they follow him closely.

I suspect there may also be some growing pains with Miller and my hope is that fans remain patient. There very well could be games where Miller looks like he is ready to seize the game by the throat. But there may also be games where fans have flashbacks of Brady Skjei.

I think his natural tools will give Miller a puncher’s chance, but a lot is going to depend on his ability to identify plays, enhance his understanding of the game (as opposed to relying on physical gifts) and really figuring out when and where to utilize his talents - knowing when to hang back, knowing when to take the puck himself, understanding that he has the size and speed to match most opponents and doesn’t need to be overly aggressive in his approach to the puck in his own end - AKA, sometimes the other guy has the slight edge on getting to the puck first, but he isn’t getting around you afterwards because you can take away his options without taking yourself out of the play.

I think this is pretty spot on. He's going to make plays that wow you, he's going to make you wonder what he's looking at. It will come down to how consistent he can become defensively. It does seem like he's got a good head on his shoulders and thats a great start. Also sounded like the brass was genuinely blown away by him in bubble camp which for me goes a long way. Just hope laf hasnt completely destroyed his confidence walking him on their rink, the world junior abuse was bad enough

 

[Edge]

I think Miller will be a point producer at the NHL level. He has a great shot and is already very adept at carrying the puck up ice. He has good vision and good feel for things in the offensive zone, probably owing to playing forward until he was 16.

He's going to make rookie mistakes and a lot of them. At the same time, he can already do things better than some of the guys on our roster. With his big wing span and excellent lateral and backward mobility, he really commands his own blue line and makes it really hard for the opponent to have clean entries. He's also great at controlled exits, can control the crease better than anyone other than Trouba or Smith, and (against college opposition) is almost unbeatable in the corners.

He makes bad decisions. There's no doubt. I am fully confident that part of his game will settle down with time, with experience, better coaching, and playing with NHL players. He's supposedly a real workout warrior and a guy who spends a ton of time on the ice and wants to be coached up. I think he'll do great.

When I see Miller, I imagine his peak point totals might look similar to 2005-2012 Bouwmeester. I think he’ll get his points.

Will he hit 50? Unsure.

That might be arbitrary point cutoff that certain fans establish (kind of like 30 goals and 60 points for forwards). But I think he could hover right around there, maybe a shade below.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

When I see Miller, I imagine his peak point totals might look similar to 2005-2012 Bouwmeester. I think he’ll get his points.

Will he hit 50? Unsure.

That might be arbitrary point cutoff that certain fans establish (kind of like 30 goals and 60 points for forwards). But I think he could hover right around there, maybe a shade below.

no D-man scores 50 points without solid PP time. And we have DeAngelo and Fox already.