Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 1.12.21)

[nyr2k2]

Ranking all 31 NHL prospect pipelines: Kings leapfrog Rangers for No. 1 spot

Chris Peters has us as the #2 system. LAK #1.

Top 10 Prospects

PLAYER	TIER
1. Alexis Lafreniere, LW	A
2. Igor Shesterkin, G	A
3. Nils Lundkvist, D	A
4. Vitali Kravtsov, RW	A
5. K'Andre Miller, D	B
6. Braden Schneider, D	B
7. Morgan Barron, C	B
8. Zac Jones, D	B
9. Karl Henriksson, C	B
10. Matt Robertson, D	B

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's his list.

Total joke that Miller is the same tier as Henriksson. Otherwise it seems reasonable. It would probably seem reasonable if they dropped Henriksson into the C tier and off this list.

I get the sense that a lot of people didn't actually watch Miller last year, and just assumed that his dip in numbers and Wisconsin's terrible numbers reflected some sort of bad year for him--which wasn't the case.

--A prospects have a high likelihood of becoming NHL high-impact players (i.e. a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or long-term starting goaltender)

--B prospects have a higher likelihood of becoming NHL regulars and contributors.

--C prospects showcase the upside to make the NHL, but either need more development time or are more likely to fill out depth roles.

He's an A prospect by that definition. Whatever, he'll surprise a lot of people.

NJD was 6, CAR 11, PHI 15, CBJ 20, NYI 24, WAS 26, PIT 31.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Ranking all 31 NHL prospect pipelines: Kings leapfrog Rangers for No. 1 spot

Chris Peters has us as the #2 system. LAK #1.

Top 10 Prospects

PLAYER	TIER
1. Alexis Lafreniere, LW	A
2. Igor Shesterkin, G	A
3. Nils Lundkvist, D	A
4. Vitali Kravtsov, RW	A
5. K'Andre Miller, D	B
6. Braden Schneider, D	B
7. Morgan Barron, C	B
8. Zac Jones, D	B
9. Karl Henriksson, C	B
10. Matt Robertson, D	B

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's his list.

Total joke that Miller is the same tier as Henriksson. Otherwise it seems reasonable. It would probably seem reasonable if they dropped Henriksson into the C tier and off this list.

I get the sense that a lot of people didn't actually watch Miller last year, and just assumed that his dip in numbers and Wisconsin's terrible numbers reflected some sort of bad year for him--which wasn't the case.

--A prospects have a high likelihood of becoming NHL high-impact players (i.e. a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or long-term starting goaltender)

--B prospects have a higher likelihood of becoming NHL regulars and contributors.

--C prospects showcase the upside to make the NHL, but either need more development time or are more likely to fill out depth roles.

He's an A prospect by that definition. Whatever, he'll surprise a lot of people.

NJD was 6, CAR 11, PHI 15, CBJ 20, NYI 24, WAS 26, PIT 31.

He misspells Zac Jones and has Kaliyev as one of LAK's "A" prospects, so I guess it shouldn't be a shock that he has them over us.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He misspells Zac Jones and has Kaliyev as one of LAK's "A" prospects, so I guess it shouldn't be a shock that he has them over us.

It's ESPN. I'm just happy they didn't use a Sacramento Kings logo

 

[nyr2k2]

He misspells Zac Jones and has Kaliyev as one of LAK's "A" prospects, so I guess it shouldn't be a shock that he has them over us.

Yeah, for sure. He also says Kravtsov has been lighting up the KHL, which seems...not totally accurate. He also lists Brett Berard as the top breakout candidate for this season, which I'm pretty sure we'll see a lot of after this WJC--but we didn't see much of before if. Very few people were talking up Berard before a week ago. Maybe Peters really was high on him before, but based on what I read elsewhere in his rankings, I doubt it.

 

[GAGLine]

He misspells Zac Jones and has Kaliyev as one of LAK's "A" prospects, so I guess it shouldn't be a shock that he has them over us.

These kind of lists are interesting, but get so skewed by prospects graduating to the NHL. LA's list of young players at the NHL level can't come close to competing with the Rangers'.

If Kakko had spent the year in Liiga or the AHL instead of the NHL, our prospect pool would be #1. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's ESPN. I'm just happy they didn't use a Sacramento Kings logo

That's not really fair. Their Insider coverage has gotten much better. Greg Wyshynski and Emily Kaplan are both very good. Peters, despite this article, has also produced some really good original content.

Honestly, half of the personalities at TSN and some of the other larger "go-to" outlets are totally pompous and full of shit. Many of the worst takes I've seen have come from "respected" Canadian writers and outlets. ESPN doesn't have the insiders that the other places do but their writers are generally very good. They did an awesome job covering the lockout and RTP, as a recent example.

ESPN sucks as a company ("Embrace the debate" ruined what was left of it) but online they've carved out a decent NHL section.

EDIT: Just to add, ESPN's NHL coverage used to be the best. ESPN National Hockey Night, Fire on Ice, NHL 2Night, those were GREAT products. Thorne, Clement, Melrose, Panger, Bucci, Engblom, JD, etc. Great personalities, too. They even had McKenzie segments, EJ Hradek, and so forth. It really wasn't until the NHL and ESPN parted ways that their NHL content became nonexistent. And it still largely that way on TV, but the online component, is, as I said, pretty good.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's not really fair. Their Insider coverage has gotten much better. Greg Wyshynski and Emily Kaplan are both very good. Peters, despite this article, has also produced some really good original content.

Honestly, half of the personalities at TSN and some of the other larger "go-to" outlets are totally pompous and full of shit. Many of the worst takes I've seen have come from "respected" Canadian writers and outlets. ESPN doesn't have the insiders that the other places do but their writers are generally very good. They did an awesome job covering the lockout and RTP, as a recent example.

ESPN sucks as a company ("Embrace the debate" ruined what was left of it) but online they've carved out a decent NHL section.

It was a joke. Referring to this tweet from 2014:

 

[nyr2k2]

It was a joke. Referring to this tweet from 2014:

Oh very timely. I get it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Oh very timely. I get it.

Chris Peters is a good guy. I met him a few times at drafts. He knows his stuff but it's hard to go into too much detail when you cover all 31 teams

 

[nyr2k2]

Chris Peters is a good guy. I met him a few times at drafts. He knows his stuff but it's hard to go into too much detail when you cover all 31 teams

Yes, despite what @Pavel Buchnevich would lead you to believe, no one can follow 1000 prospects at a time.

I make that point with most lists. Still, with top prospects in each system, like Miller and Kravtsov, I expect a little more. And the Henriksson grade is bizarre, even if you just look at his stats since he was drafted and know nothing else about him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes, despite what @Pavel Buchnevich would lead you to believe, no one can follow 1000 prospects at a time.

I make that point with most lists. Still, with top prospects in each system, like Miller and Kravtsov, I expect a little more. And the Henriksson grade is bizarre, even if you just look at his stats since he was drafted and know nothing else about him.

Ah, the guy who says he watches 3 KHL games every day

And yes, Henriksson's numbers in the SHL are underwhelming but aat the same time a case could be made for how much Sweden seems to miss his presence at the WJC. Henriksson should be centering the wonder twins in Edmonton right now. Having Miller and Henriksson in the same tier makes no sense to me.

Then again, nobody's perfect. I think he has Barron a bit high for my liking but nothing too crazy.

 

[kovazub94]

Yes, despite what @Pavel Buchnevich would lead you to believe, no one can follow 1000 prospects at a time.

I make that point with most lists. Still, with top prospects in each system, like Miller and Kravtsov, I expect a little more. And the Henriksson grade is bizarre, even if you just look at his stats since he was drafted and know nothing else about him.

2nd round pick from a year ago. Would’ve been 1C for Sweden at WJC playing with 2 top-10 picks. In the SHL he’s a regular and permanently featured in top-6. To an outsider it’s enough to get a B ranking.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Ranking all 31 NHL prospect pipelines: Kings leapfrog Rangers for No. 1 spot

Chris Peters has us as the #2 system. LAK #1.

Top 10 Prospects

PLAYER	TIER
1. Alexis Lafreniere, LW	A
2. Igor Shesterkin, G	A
3. Nils Lundkvist, D	A
4. Vitali Kravtsov, RW	A
5. K'Andre Miller, D	B
6. Braden Schneider, D	B
7. Morgan Barron, C	B
8. Zac Jones, D	B
9. Karl Henriksson, C	B
10. Matt Robertson, D	B

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's his list.

Total joke that Miller is the same tier as Henriksson. Otherwise it seems reasonable. It would probably seem reasonable if they dropped Henriksson into the C tier and off this list.

I get the sense that a lot of people didn't actually watch Miller last year, and just assumed that his dip in numbers and Wisconsin's terrible numbers reflected some sort of bad year for him--which wasn't the case.

--A prospects have a high likelihood of becoming NHL high-impact players (i.e. a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or long-term starting goaltender)

--B prospects have a higher likelihood of becoming NHL regulars and contributors.

--C prospects showcase the upside to make the NHL, but either need more development time or are more likely to fill out depth roles.

He's an A prospect by that definition. Whatever, he'll surprise a lot of people.

NJD was 6, CAR 11, PHI 15, CBJ 20, NYI 24, WAS 26, PIT 31.

I’m cancelling my ESPN+ subscription

 

[RangersFan1994]

Meet Brett Berard, America's Aggressor

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Jones had 1+1 and was +3. He's at an outstanding 4-4-8 in 10 games.

Själin was -1 in 15 minutes.

Henriksson was--guess!--scoreless in 23 minutes.

Nothing for Edström in 13:40.

Lundkvist had an assist and was +1 in almost 24 minutes.

Aaltonen was -1 for KalPa bit did play about 15 minutes.

I'm really excited about Jones. He's strictly an offensive guy or is he sound defensively?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Seems like outside of HFNYR everyone thinks that K'Andre Miller is a forgettable prospect. Who's right?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm really excited about Jones. He's strictly an offensive guy or is he sound defensively?

He's good defensively as well

 

[cwede]

Seems like outside of HFNYR everyone thinks that K'Andre Miller is a forgettable prospect. Who's right?

'Forgettable' seems overstated representation of some evaluators not having him a 'sure thing'
No one disputes his athleticism and potential, but he's somewhat new to the role, his freshman year was disrupted by injury, he wasnt great at last WJC, and sophomore year, he wasnt consistent and team underperformed.

I dont judge prospects quickly or harshly, but not all high picks prosper quickly.
If he needs another year to make NHL, and year after that to become a regular, and time after that to become top 3 D, thats still a big win in the end.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Ranking all 31 NHL prospect pipelines: Kings leapfrog Rangers for No. 1 spot

Chris Peters has us as the #2 system. LAK #1.

Top 10 Prospects

PLAYER	TIER
1. Alexis Lafreniere, LW	A
2. Igor Shesterkin, G	A
3. Nils Lundkvist, D	A
4. Vitali Kravtsov, RW	A
5. K'Andre Miller, D	B
6. Braden Schneider, D	B
7. Morgan Barron, C	B
8. Zac Jones, D	B
9. Karl Henriksson, C	B
10. Matt Robertson, D	B

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's his list.

Total joke that Miller is the same tier as Henriksson. Otherwise it seems reasonable. It would probably seem reasonable if they dropped Henriksson into the C tier and off this list.

I get the sense that a lot of people didn't actually watch Miller last year, and just assumed that his dip in numbers and Wisconsin's terrible numbers reflected some sort of bad year for him--which wasn't the case.

--A prospects have a high likelihood of becoming NHL high-impact players (i.e. a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or long-term starting goaltender)

--B prospects have a higher likelihood of becoming NHL regulars and contributors.

--C prospects showcase the upside to make the NHL, but either need more development time or are more likely to fill out depth roles.

He's an A prospect by that definition. Whatever, he'll surprise a lot of people.

NJD was 6, CAR 11, PHI 15, CBJ 20, NYI 24, WAS 26, PIT 31.

I would drop Henriksson, and rise Miller for sure.

Also, Alf is literally the best prospect in the world right now. I would denote that in some way other than giving him the same rank as like 90 other guys, or however many As got handed out.

 

[nyr2k2]

Seems like outside of HFNYR everyone thinks that K'Andre Miller is a forgettable prospect. Who's right?

There are definitely a group who think he's not a blue chip, elite prospect, but I've never really seen anyone characterize him as anything less than a solid prospect. I think there's mainly two groups: people like me, who think his ceiling is a legitimate #1 and his floor is a 5/6; and then people who see lots of tools but a more realistic upside on the second pair and a decent chance he doesn't put it together enough to stick.

He's pretty much universally regarded as being in our 4-7 range for prospects depending on how one defines a prospect, in one of the two or three best systems in the game. I don't think anyone is down on him. Maybe Pornman, but that's been forever.

Peters has him ahead of Schneider, Jones, and Robertson, who are all well-regarded players in their own right.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

There are definitely a group who think he's not a blue chip, elite prospect, but I've never really seen anyone characterize him as anything less than a solid prospect. I think there's mainly two groups: people like me, who think his ceiling is a legitimate #1 and his floor is a 5/6; and then people who see lots of tools but a more realistic upside on the second pair and a decent chance he doesn't put it together enough to stick.

He's pretty much universally regarded as being in our 4-7 range for prospects depending on how one defines a prospect, in one of the two or three best systems in the game. I don't think anyone is down on him. Maybe Pornman, but that's been forever.

Peters has him ahead of Schneider, Jones, and Robertson, who are all well-regarded players in their own right.

Consider me somewhere in the middle here. I think Miller’s ceiling is a high caliber #1, but I think there’s a pretty sizable chance he doesn’t become an NHLer at all. I see a lower floor.

I didn’t catch his entire season last year, but I saw 4-5 NCAA games and the WJC. His decision-making and ability to make unforced errors can be disastrous at times.

But then you see him jet end-to-end to break up an odd man rush (his straight away skating is unbelievable). Or score a goal like he did at the end of his freshman year where he caught the puck and then slapped it in. That’s when it’s difficult not to get excited.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You can totally make the case for LA's system over ours.

I wouldn't put them ahead because I'm not sold on Byfield OR Turcotte as big time NHL difference makers, but they have quality and quantity through out that system.

Kaliyev as an A level prospect is something I can't get on board with. I can't see him being an impact NHL'er with the way that he plays the same. At the very best, I see a Kotalik type guy.

 

[ecemleafs]

Yes, despite what @Pavel Buchnevich would lead you to believe, no one can follow 1000 prospects at a time.

I make that point with most lists. Still, with top prospects in each system, like Miller and Kravtsov, I expect a little more. And the Henriksson grade is bizarre, even if you just look at his stats since he was drafted and know nothing else about him.

not only that but hes also an expert on soccer and golf prospects.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

not only that but hes also an expert on soccer and golf prospects.

He's also an expert of putting people that call him out on ignore.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He's also an expert of putting people that call him out on ignore.

If you disagree with him, he accuses you of bullying