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Rangers Prospect List (Summer 2021) - #17

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#17 Prospect

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The Crypto Guy

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Ranger's Summer 2021 Prospect Ranking

1. Alexis Lafrenière (F) (2020 Draft - 1st round) (Not Ranked)
2. Nils Lundkvist (D) (2018 Draft - 1st round) (+3)
3. K'Andre Miller (D) (2018 Draft - 1st round ) (+3)
4. Vitali Kravtsov (F) (2018 Draft - 1st round) (Same Rank)
5. Braden Schneider (D) (2020 Draft - 1st round) (Not Ranked)
6. Zac Jones (D) (2019 Draft - 3rd round) (+1)
7. Matthew Robertson (D) (2019 Draft - 2nd round) (+6)
8. Brennan Othmann (F) (2021 Draft - 1st round) (Not Ranked)
9. Morgan Barron (F) (2017 Draft - 6th round) (+2)
10. Julien Gauthier (F) (2016 Draft - 1st round) (Not Ranked)
11. Brett Berard (F) (2020 Draft - 5th round) (Not Ranked)
12. Will Cuylle (F) (2020 Draft - 2nd round) (Not Ranked)
13. Lauri Pajuniemi (F) (2018 Draft - 5th round) (+1)
14. Tarmo Reunnanen (D) (2016 Draft - 4th round) (+2)
15. Dylan Garand (G) (2020 Draft - 4th round) (Not Ranked)
16. Jayden Grubbe (F) (2021 Draft - 3rd round) (Not Ranked)


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ADDED: Ryder Korczak (F)
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PlayerPos.Sh.DOBHt.Wt.Team/LeagueAcquired
Aaltonen, LeviWL01/24/015'9"168KooKoo/LiigaDrafted R5 #130 2019
Boyko, TalynGL10/16/026'7"196Tri-City Americans/WHLDrafted R4 #112 2021
Chmelar, JaroslavRWR07/20/036'4"198Drafted R5 #144 2021
Ciccolini, EricFR01/14/016'0"170Michigan Wolverines/B10Drafted R7 #205 2019
Edström, AdamFL10/12/006'8"225Rögle BK/SHLDrafted R6 #161 2019
Elmer, JakeRWR12/31/986'1"190Signed as UDFA 2019
Gettinger, TimLWL04/14/986'6"218Drafted R5 #141 2016
Hughes, RileyWR06/27/006'2"195Northeastern Huskies/HEADrafted R7 #216 2018
Húska, AdamGL05/12/976'4"218Drafted R7 #184 2015
Kempf, HankDL04/15/026'2"190Cornell Big Red/ECACDrafted R7 #208 2021
Khodorenko, PatrickCL10/13/986'0"198Signed as UDFA 2020
Kjellberg, SimonDL02/17/006'3"190RPI Engineers/ECACDrafted R6 #163 2018
Lamb, BrodyRWR08/30/036'1"165Green Bay Gamblers/USHLDrafted R4 #104 2021
Lindbom, OlofGL07/23/006'2"183Kristianstads IK/AllsvenskanDrafted R2 #39 2018
Ollas, HugoGL04/24/026'8"238Merrimack Warriors/HEADrafted R7 #197 2020
Ragnarsson, JacobDL09/23/996'0"176Almtuna IS/AllsvenskanDrafted R3 #70 2018
Rempe, MatthewCL06/29/026'8"240Seattle Thunderbirds/WHLDrafted R6 #165 2020
Ronning, TyRWR10/20/975'9"178Drafted R7 #201 2016
Rueschhoff, AustinC/RWR09/07/976'7"230Signed as UDFA 2020
Tärnström, OliverC/LWL08/30/026'0"159Rögle BK J20/J20 NationellDrafted R3 #92 2020
Väisänen, KalleLWR01/28/036'4"178HC TPS/LiigaDrafted R4 #106 2021
Wall, TylerGL01/14/986'3"214Drafted R6 #174 2016
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Surprised by some of the #11-17 rankings. Would put both Vierling and Korczac ahead of Grubbe and quite a few others. Like Pajuniemi. Kind of shocked Richards has so many votes here. Think Vierling and Korczac have higher ceilings at least. MORe boom or bust I guess. Lower floors.

Also, where are Lamb and Vainanen? They should really both be options.
 
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Voted Korczak- its neck and neck between him and Vierling though,
Add Jaroslav Chmelar- think any of the 3 shinny new toys should be selected here- something about Chmelar makes me think he is going to become something. Chmelar, Lamb and Vainanen.
 
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Went with Skinner. Made the WJC roster last year, didn't play very much, but making that team was a very nice step forward for him. Had some good ECHL numbers, most 19 year olds can't play in that league since they have to be in juniors or the NHL, but COVID got him in against some higher competition. Should be Hartford's 2nd pairing RHD, behind Schneider.

Add Lamb. A lot of the draft analytics groups like him a lot. He's was also a junior in HS this past year, which is why he is in the USHL this season coming and going to college the year after that. One of the youngest players in the draft. He'll be a very similar age to guys that get picked in this next draft.

 
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Surprised by some of the #11-17 rankings. Would put both Vierling and Korczac ahead of Grubbe and quite a few others. Like Pajuniemi. Kind of shocked Richards has so many votes here. Think Vierling and Korczac have higher ceilings at least. MORe boom or bust I guess. Lower floors.

Also, where are Lamb and Vainanen? They should really both be options.
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You run into that interesting dilemma with Grubbe and Vierling of when and where they were drafted--Vierling was taken 60+ spots lower than Grubbe and didn't play at all last year. Unless you think there's a big gulf between the two, what else explains the disparity? Because you're not just disagreeing with our scouts, but the scouts of all the teams that passed on those players, as well.

Personally, I have no problem ranking a guy ahead of another guy from the same class when there's--to me--a big disparity in upside. With Grubbe and Vierling, I don't know. Maybe it's because I see more upside in Grubbe than others, or think of Vierling as a total wild card at this point. Last year I had Berard in front of Vierling, Garand, and Tarnstrom.

Anyway, I think you're getting to a point where the majority of voters are favoring the higher-floor prospects over the boom-bust guys. Lamb is so incredibly raw. I'd like to see him produce in the USHL before I get excited about him. Väisänen seems interesting, but there's almost no real video of him out there and he played in Finland's U20 which isn't exactly highly-regarded. Those guys may become something or they could end up never receiving a contract and playing second-tier hockey in Europe. No one really has any idea at this point. I see guys like Edstrom, Gettinger, Khodorenko, etc., who have at least demonstrated that they can play solid hockey at a higher level, and to me that's more interesting that the $500 scratch-offs at this point.

But again--to each their own. Everyone uses different criteria to make their selection.
 
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Richards add Kalle Väisänen. I feel Väisänen can be a Viktor Stalberg type of player down the road
 
w 43 prospects, we are gonna leave out a few guys who will make it

how high will we go? 30? plus 5 Honorable Mentions? would still leave out 8
 
Really can make a case for any of these guys. I went with Richards but Skinner peaked my interest. Honestly, the more I look I would have Henriksson last in this group. I knew he'd be a slow burn in general and has a 'waterbug' feel to a guy who could be a really good and complimentary playmaking 3C, but I feel like we haven't seen a lot out of him.
 
Vierling and Korczak with the upside advantage, albeit with more unknowns because of recent years.

Richards probably has less "upside" than those two, but has a much clearer path/understanding of what his role as a pro is.

Henriksson probably has the biggest toolbox of anyone on the list, but three years later I still think his path to the NHL is murkier.

Skinner is probably the prospect who best balances upside with steady progress. The upside isn't quite as sexy though.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Korczak add Lamb

we're getting to the point where we're splitting hairs
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We're in that weird zone where there is a decent chance that one of these kids is going to have a nice, long NHL career. It'll be somewhat amusing when you look back at some of the names ahead of them who they completely blew out of the water.
 
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I think based on Skinner's profile, it's nice to see when he was in the Coast he put up some points. I doubt it was expected of him, but he was playing at a higher level than before even though long term he's better than that. I think flashing some offensive upside (albeit limited) just makes you feel good about where he can eventually end as a developed player. Maybe he's more of a very solid middle pair-shut down D who can chip in 20 points a year?
 
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You run into that interesting dilemma with Grubbe and Vierling of when and where they were drafted--Vierling was taken 60+ spots lower than Grubbe and didn't play at all last year. Unless you think there's a big gulf between the two, what else explains the disparity? Because you're not just disagreeing with our scouts, but the scouts of all the teams that passed on those players, as well.

Personally, I have no problem ranking a guy ahead of another guy from the same class when there's--to me--a big disparity in upside. With Grubbe and Vierling, I don't know. Maybe it's because I see more upside in Grubbe than others, or think of Vierling as a total wild card at this point. Last year I had Berard in front of Vierling, Garand, and Tarnstrom.

Anyway, I think you're getting to a point where the majority of voters are favoring the higher-floor prospects over the boom-bust guys. Lamb is so incredibly raw. I'd like to see him produce in the USHL before I get excited about him. Väisänen seems interesting, but there's almost no real video of him out there and he played in Finland's U20 which isn't exactly highly-regarded. Those guys may become something or they could end up never receiving a contract and playing second-tier hockey in Europe. No one really has any idea at this point. I see guys like Edstrom, Gettinger, Khodorenko, etc., who have at least demonstrated that they can play solid hockey at a higher level, and to me that's more interesting that the $500 scratch-offs at this point.

But again--to each their own. Everyone uses different criteria to make their selection.
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Yea, I guess the chances of any of these guys making it, has me leaning towards higher ceiling, higher risk/reward. I guess just because these guys are so unlikely to make it in the first place. Makes it seem like there's more benefit to choosing the higher ceiling, like at least the pay out is worth the risk to a larger extent. But 4th line guys are important too.

Well, as far as the scouting, there's no telling where any other club would have taken a guy like Grubbe. It appears as though we reached on him, some think as high as a full round. But that doesn't explain why Korczac fell. Or anything in that draft. If you would have asked most, what round guys like Raty and Pinelli would have been drafted in they would have said 1st I think. That goes for CSS and Button, McKenzie and the majority of the pre-draft scouting world.

If we do go by the scouting prior to the daft, then a guy like Korczac was being considered a fringe first round pick. Which I guess is why he feels like a steal where we ended up taking him. But the way this draft was, coming off a year and a half like we've had, everything was really falling more towards the "unknown" side of things.
 
nyr2k2 said:
You run into that interesting dilemma with Grubbe and Vierling of when and where they were drafted--Vierling was taken 60+ spots lower than Grubbe and didn't play at all last year. Unless you think there's a big gulf between the two, what else explains the disparity? Because you're not just disagreeing with our scouts, but the scouts of all the teams that passed on those players, as well.

Personally, I have no problem ranking a guy ahead of another guy from the same class when there's--to me--a big disparity in upside. With Grubbe and Vierling, I don't know. Maybe it's because I see more upside in Grubbe than others, or think of Vierling as a total wild card at this point. Last year I had Berard in front of Vierling, Garand, and Tarnstrom.

Anyway, I think you're getting to a point where the majority of voters are favoring the higher-floor prospects over the boom-bust guys. Lamb is so incredibly raw. I'd like to see him produce in the USHL before I get excited about him. Väisänen seems interesting, but there's almost no real video of him out there and he played in Finland's U20 which isn't exactly highly-regarded. Those guys may become something or they could end up never receiving a contract and playing second-tier hockey in Europe. No one really has any idea at this point. I see guys like Edstrom, Gettinger, Khodorenko, etc., who have at least demonstrated that they can play solid hockey at a higher level, and to me that's more interesting that the $500 scratch-offs at this point.

But again--to each their own. Everyone uses different criteria to make their selection.
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It's tricky and totally subjective when you're going across multiple drafts

For example, is Grubbe a third rounder in 2018-2020? My gut says no. I think he'd probably more in the Berard/Vierling range if he's a 2020 draft eligible.

Fan polls are always interesting as well because there are many elements/hopes/fears/preferences at play. In turn these impact value systems.

I try to find a balance between floor/ceiling, but like anyone else's approach it can be an imperfect approach.

Guys like Grubbe/Richards have very clear paths as pros for me. I don't know if there's a ton of over-achieving they'll do, but they have a clear projected role.

Guys like Vierling/Korczak/Berard are in the middle zone where they have somewhat of a path ahead of them, but there's also wiggle for them to overachieve or underachieve.

Guys like Lamb and Pajuniemi are a little more boom/bust for me. The final product could be sexier than some of the other names on the board, but they might not be the types who re-invent themselves for new roles at the higher levels either.

Some options are also sexier than others. It's easier to fall in love with what you hope someone like Berard can be compared to maybe someone like Skinner. Fan polls tend to give those guys a little boost in the voting. As a result, some guys are more likely to be under-valued in fan polls and some guys are more likely to be a little more highly regarded.

It's always interesting for me to see fan perspective/how the pros are viewing things. I've always been fascinated by that.
 
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