Post-Game Talk: Rangers 6 Leafs 3

[Dekes For Days]

Ok, so you are saying all the answers to our questions are in the games played stat?

No, I'm saying the answer to whether he has been "run into the ground" is seen in his workload, because that's what that means.

There is the uncomfortable possibility that he turns into a pumpkin. Won't say it's a certainty or likely, but we are talking about a career backup who strung together a shortened season as a starter - arguably not even a full shortened season.

I mean it's possible - nothing is ever a certainty with goaltenders. But it's highly unlikely, and I see no reason at this point in time to think that's the case.

 

[steam whistle]

funny thing is when I listened to the fan 590 radio show on my way home, the announcer was saying the Sabres hockey is disaster, how leafs are better than them. blah blah
what a POS

 

[mikeyz]

There is the uncomfortable possibility that he turns into a pumpkin. Won't say it's a certainty or likely, but we are talking about a career backup who strung together a shortened season as a starter - arguably not even a full shortened season.

Agreed.

 

[kevsh]

Hayes on Overdrive is bang-on in his Leafs assessment - and stop me if you've heard this before: Leafs top players have no snarl, no attitude. A bad loss, sure they look disappointed, but not angry.

And I'll add: It starts from the top and that's Tavares. Talented player, works hard, great guy, but he has the personality of plywood. Every post-game interview he gives the same scripted response. If they win 10-0 or get blown out.

Matthews at times looks a little pissed off, Marner has looked like he's going to cry, Reilly has that "I won't yell in public but in the locker room ... maybe" look, and I don't think Willie has ever been angry at anything ever.

 

[Coachcorner]

Anybody got that hunchback of notradame/hillbilly picture of nick ritchie sitting on dubs on our bench....? Would need it sire.

 

[steam whistle]

I rarely hear anything from Shanahan recently.

 

[Enniskillen]

What was Clifford out there for? I thought he was a tough guy? Marner laid out more harder hits than Cliffy. That is a problem.

Don’t blame the 4th liners for the core’s lack of grit and guts.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Don’t blame the 4th liners for the core’s lack of grit and guts.

I see we're now at the blame the 4th liners and goalie stage. We've seen this before many times.

 

[Zybalto]

The team is 2-2-1 on the road both coming off and dealing with covid while having the 5th best xGF% and 2nd worse team save% in the league over that stretch.

Looking at the numbers, I'd say the team looks pretty good going forward. Goaltending will bounce back and the team has been performing well considering.

 

[Bluelines]

No, I'm saying the answer to whether he has been "run into the ground" is seen in his workload, because that's what that means.

I mean it's possible - nothing is ever a certainty with goaltenders. But it's highly unlikely, and I see no reason at this point in time to think that's the case.

Do you understand the "worked into the ground" phrase is a broad statement and can be used in either a physical or mental standpoint?

Do we know if Jack is fighting a physical injury? Do we know if he is fighting mental fatigue? Workload is relative to each person, last year I worked 29 out of 31 days 14 to 17 hour days each one and was not fatigued at all. I know people if they work more than 6 8-hour days in a row they are cooked. You can't say that based on your standards of what a heavy workload is. Jack has played this many NHL games once in his career. Maybe he is cooked? For you and me the casual fan the point where he gets physically gassed is an unknown, where he gets mentally gassed is an unknown.

I get that you think you know but you don't know any more than I do or @Mess does. We can speculate, we can theorize. We can't draw absolute conclusions.

 

[Atomos2]

The team is 2-2-1 on the road both coming off and dealing with covid while having the 5th best xGF% and 2nd worse team save% in the league over that stretch.

Looking at the numbers, I'd say the team looks pretty good going forward. Goaltending will bounce back and the team has been performing well considering.

 

[Bluelines]

Don’t blame the 4th liners for the core’s lack of grit and guts.

It would have been nice if our tough guy was actually tough and did what tough guys do in todays game. Cliffy can lay hits with the best of them. Core is paid to score, the grinders are paid to grind.

 

[All Mod Cons]

It would have been nice if our tough guy was actually tough and did what tough guys do in todays game. Cliffy can lay hits with the best of them. Core is paid to score, the grinders are paid to grind.

And I think that's our main issue with the stars and scrubs set up. Either group cannot do the other. We don't really have that middle ground - well rounded group of players.

We have scorers that shit their pants. And grinders that refuse to grind. Make up of the team doesn't seem to be correct.

Maybe the story will end differently this year? Maybe it'll meet the same end we've all been used to for half a decade.

That's the exciting part.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Do you understand the "worked into the ground" phrase is a broad statement and can be used in either a physical or mental standpoint?

"Run into the ground" is common hockey terminology that refers to a team giving an excessive workload, and it was also very evident that that was the intent of the phrase within Mess' post. Campbell has not had an excessive workload, so by definition, he factually has not been "run into the ground". Whatever you think is "wrong" with Campbell, it has not been caused by an excessive workload. If Campbell can't handle a normal workload, that is an entirely different issue that does not equate to the team "running him into the ground", but there is no evidence of that being the case anyway.

 

[Zybalto]

Perfect ironic post.

The fact the fanbase thinks a team with a .500 record on a tough road trip riddled by covid with the 2nd worst goalkeeping in the league is a tire fire is a sign of just how elite this team has become. Lets just hope this is the only goaltending valley of this level for the rest of the year.

I think I've said "he wants that back" to our goaltenders more the last two weeks than the preceding two months. Goaltending will bounce back.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Perfect ironic post.

The fact the fanbase thinks a team with a .500 record on a tough road trip riddled by covid with the 2nd worst goalkeeping in the league is a tire fire is a sign of just how elite this team has become. Lets just hope this is the only goaltending valley of this level for the rest of the year.

I think I've said "he wants that back" to our goaltenders more the last two weeks than the preceding two months. Goaltending will bounce back.

It has been 3 months since the Leafs have given a lot of morose fans any reason to complain... This is what you get when something less than perfect happens.

 

[Superstar]

OMG He finally said it. Too soft. It's taken 5 years for a coach to publicly expose the huge issue with the team. Win or lose they get out hit 2 to 1 every game. It's not about bone crunching hits, it's finishing checks consistently. They've tried bringing in some tougher players within the cap situation but the team culture always eventually takes over. At least it's out in the open now. SOFT ! Players, either man up or Dubas go to work. Side note: Our defense isn't strong enough.

I think Keefe said they played soft, not that they are soft, big difference...

 

[Superstar]

Both plays are kicked into net deliberately .. but no one ever said life was FAIR .. there is no such thing as FAIR

Noticed the goal that counted was scored on the Leafs, but the goal that didn't count was scored by a Leaf? Yeah, life is not fair, but seems fairer for some.

 

[Superstar]

There is the uncomfortable possibility that he turns into a pumpkin. Won't say it's a certainty or likely, but we are talking about a career backup who strung together a shortened season as a starter - arguably not even a full shortened season.

Jack-O-Lantern...

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Lol.

 

[Niagara Bill]

I don't like the idea of needing two players to do the job of one (one to get points and one to protect him). If he's not tough enough to play at this level, trade him.

Yeh, that is why they traded Grezky, so they didn't gave to have Semenko

 

[Gary Nylund]

Hayes on Overdrive is bang-on in his Leafs assessment - and stop me if you've heard this before: Leafs top players have no snarl, no attitude. A bad loss, sure they look disappointed, but not angry.

And I'll add: It starts from the top and that's Tavares. Talented player, works hard, great guy, but he has the personality of plywood. Every post-game interview he gives the same scripted response. If they win 10-0 or get blown out.

Matthews at times looks a little pissed off, Marner has looked like he's going to cry, Reilly has that "I won't yell in public but in the locker room ... maybe" look, and I don't think Willie has ever been angry at anything ever.

I hate to say it but Hayes paints a pretty accurate picture IMO. This team as a collective just seems to have no fire in their belly and if that's true, they're never going to win anything when the games really matter. When the going gets tough, they just fade away. I hope I'm wrong but that's what's happened in the last 4 playoffs and would anyone really be surprised if it happened again this spring?

The team is 2-2-1 on the road both coming off and dealing with covid while having the 5th best xGF% and 2nd worse team save% in the league over that stretch.

Looking at the numbers, I'd say the team looks pretty good going forward. Goaltending will bounce back and the team has been performing well considering.

Looking at the numbers we've looked good every year until we play like shit in the last game of the year.

"Run into the ground" is common hockey terminology that refers to a team giving an excessive workload, and it was also very evident that that was the intent of the phrase within Mess' post. Campbell has not had an excessive workload, so by definition, he factually has not been "run into the ground". Whatever you think is "wrong" with Campbell, it has not been caused by an excessive workload. If Campbell can't handle a normal workload, that is an entirely different issue that does not equate to the team "running him into the ground", but there is no evidence of that being the case anyway.

Saying that by definition, he hasn't been run into ground is 100% wrong because you're completely ignoring the psychological demands placed of the job.

Playing goal is the hardest job in NA pro sports because of the pressure. Our backup has been injured most of the year and even when healthy, we still keep playing Jack. It's a physically demanding job but it's just as demanding mentally and asking Jack to carry that kind of load when he's never done so until now, especially in the pressure cooker that this city is, that's a big ask. It's completely possible that he's fine physically, but getting burnt out mentally. IMHO the best thing we could do right now is give Mrazek a few starts in the hopes that he finds his form, that would go a long was to taking that weight off of Jack's shoulders.

 

[Niagara Bill]

FYI Keefer and his bro were both bullies and were both bullied as kids .. then again almost all of us for that era and before all ran with same insane crowd .. da punch ups pre game against your own team mates were da stupidest thing in TO and then in O .. never saw it in minors, except fights on ice in practice, but from time you were 10 to 20 it was a given in dressing rooms in TO to get you prepared for war

Ah, too bad they were bullied. I do not care. He does not like aggression and I have been waiting since 1967. Either coach to dominate or get out.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lol.

LOL. I've had similar thoughts earlier this season, yeah that doesn't work. LOL again.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

LOL. I've had similar thoughts earlier this season, yeah that doesn't work. LOL again.

There’s no easy path in the first round on the East at all. Both the Atlantic and Metro are extremely tough and falling to face the Metro winner would not increase our chances of winning.