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Series Talk: R1 (2025): Vegas (1st Pacific) vs Wild (WC1) | Series Tied 1-1

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  • VGK in 4

    Votes: 3 6.1%

  • VGK in 5

    Votes: 13 26.5%

  • VGK in 6

    Votes: 8 16.3%

  • VGK in 7

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wild in 4

    Votes: 2 4.1%

  • Wild in 5

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Wild in 6

    Votes: 9 18.4%

  • Wild in 7

    Votes: 13 26.5%
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AKL said:
He's done some good things, I won't deny that. But based on the body of work, I don't see him being able to build an actual contender. I also look at it like this. He's been here for 6 years and hasn't moved the needle at all, and the only reason the team is marginally better than it was under Fletcher is because of a Fletcher draft pick that's carrying the load.

Fletcher got 9 years here, Guerin is at 6. Can Guerin accomplish more than Fletcher ever did in the next three years? I'm not sure.

A lot of it is going to depend on if Kaprizov re-signs. But if Kaprizov leaves, Guerin has done a much worse job building a team than Fletcher did.
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The reality of the Parise / Suter contracts were that there was almost no chance that they were going to have a real contender during the back part of the deal regardless of who was GM. So in a sense I don’t agree that it’s fair to evaluate what each has accomplished. I think, disconnecting the team from the GM and his moves, the team has done about as well as could be expected given the circumstances.
 
DemidovSaveUs said:
The reality of the Parise / Suter contracts were that there was almost no chance that they were going to have a real contender during the back part of the deal regardless of who was GM. So in a sense I don’t agree that it’s fair to evaluate what each has accomplished. I think, disconnecting the team from the GM and his moves, the team has done about as well as could be expected given the circumstances.
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Like I said, we'll see what he does in the next three years, but even without the dead cap, he hasn't given me any reason to believe he'll be use his newfound cap space effectively to build a contender.

And still, a lot of it is going to depend on whether Kaprizov stays or leaves. Kaprizov is the only reason the team he's constructed isn't a lottery team, so if he's gone, I really don't anticipate him being able to build a contender.
 
NHL1674 said:
Preds fans were screaming about how bad Nyquist was this season. It was written on the wall in bold letters. So my question is, how the hell did our scouts and BG not see it? The same with Brazeau.....it was obvious the kind of player we were getting. If the fans can see the obvious, how could the front office make such huge blunders?
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I think they just wanted to be able to say they did something. And the prices on the other good forwards that got traded were a 1st plus. Did anyone acquire a better forward than Nyquist for a lower pick than our 2nd?
 
AKL said:
Like I said, we'll see what he does in the next three years, but even without the dead cap, he hasn't given me any reason to believe he'll be use his newfound cap space effectively to build a contender.

And still, a lot of it is going to depend on whether Kaprizov stays or leaves. Kaprizov is the only reason the team he's constructed isn't a lottery team, so if he's gone, I really don't anticipate him being able to build a contender.
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My big concern is what he does when he doesn’t have his hands tied behind his back. He’s mostly been a good boy, but it’s not encouraging that when he has had cap space he’s given it away on some questionable deals to depth players.
 
DemidovSaveUs said:
My big concern is what he does when he doesn’t have his hands tied behind his back. He’s mostly been a good boy, but it’s not encouraging that when he has had cap space he’s given it away on some questionable deals to depth players.
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Exactly my point. I don't trust him to build it himself. Kaprizov masks so many holes in this team by being so incredibly good. Those holes that Kaprizov masks are on Guerin too at this point, not just the dead cap. And Guerin doesn't get credit for Kaprizov.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Ohgren is better than all but one winger in the bottom 6. That poster singling out Brazeau is just another way for them to complain about the trade and how Guerin only cares about size. We traded trash out and got trash in return. We traded 3 $1 bills (Khus, Lauko, 6th) for a mystery dollar (Braz) that we hoped was a $5 bill but was just another $1 bill. In the grand scheme of things this trade is irrelevant and a gamble a decent amount of teams might make. Most of the time it won’t work out, but sometimes it does. It’s a gamble without risking much. However, trading a $20 bill (2nd) for a worn out $5 bill (Nyquist) was much worse asset management. Nyquist has 2 more 5v5 points than Brazeau since March 7th and he wasn’t hamstrung with Trenin and Shore as his linemates, yet he cost WAY more in value to acquire. You wanna know my theory why nobody complains about Nyquist as constantly and obnoxiously as they do with Brazeau? It doesn’t fit the Guerin only cares about size narrative that everyone seems to have hardwired into their head.

I did get sidetracked by stats re: Gaudreau. Thought it was interesting that he was last on the team in almost every underlying metric.
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Brazeaus exchange rate is in pesos. I think we could get more out of Danny heatly at whatever his current age is.

Nyquist has certainly fallen off a fair bit but he still might be able to chip in some timely offense.
 
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AKL said:
Like I said, I'll complain about the Nyquist trade more too from here on out. At the time I wasn't as upset about it because Nyquist at least had a history, including a history here, of being worth that value. Obviously he was having a down year in Nashville, and that probably should have been a yellow flag to the pro scouts to look into it more, but I also can't totally fault them because everyone on Nashville was having a down year, so thinking he could rebound a little bit by getting out of there wasn't out of line.

In hindsight, it was definitely bad value, I agree. Fire Guerin.
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Fair enough. I’m decently worried that Guerin is going to hamstring us with a fat Nelson contract this summer, so I wouldn’t mind if they fired him.
 
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I for one am excited to get this series started and see what this team can do. Effort has never been a question for these guys, makes it easy to get invested when you know they are giving it their all every game. This is probably the most talented PP we have ever seen on a MN team, and top line too for that matter, looking forward to seeing how they adjust and play against the VGK defense.

I think this is a year for growth and taking steps forward, young guys are starting to filter in and establish themselves, seeing how they react and grow in a playoff environment is huge, win or lose, for the future of this club.
 
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I'm holding careful optimism until next year. That's when all the stars align.

- Buium, Ohgren, Yurov, Wallstedt as regulars
- Dead cap gone
+1 prize free agent

After next year I'm going to be stricter on BG and Hynes. BG made his bed with the Parise/Suter buyouts and it's about he uses the new salary space.
 
I don’t think it’s a lock we get a marquee FA. Tons of teams have cap space and it’s not a great class. I think a hockey trade involving Rossi/Hartman is just as likely.

I think Guerin has proven a good GM. The good outweighs the bad. But his job gets a lot harder now because expectations will be higher and if he doesn’t get Kap signed it’s going to be a long and tiresome narrative hanging over the whole team next year. It will be all anyone talks about, especially on the national stage.
 
Flames winning 3-0 in the 3rd period. If it weren't for Ek scoring with 20-something seconds left, we'd be done.

Edit: Now 5-1.
 
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Brazeau is the worst player this team has ever iced , the fact that someone gets butthurt over calling that out is ridiculous.

Nyquist has a history of being a useful nhl player and even a useful top 6 player for long stretches. He was playing on a horrible preds team. There was at least some hope that he could be useful given another fresh start elsewhere.

Brazeau has never done anything anywhere aside from get a puck shot in off his ass or skate. There was never any hope that he was anything other than a middling echl level plug.

Guerin is trash
 
keppel146 said:
Should his size be a detrimental factor? I mean for BG it might be lol. Marner to Kaprizov for goals would be nice though. Zucc replacement?
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Look at our best players - all of them except Ek bring zero physicality. With the possible exception of Kaprizov. If we rounded out our depth with small, soft players we would be manhandled every night.
 
MNRube said:
Look at our best players - all of them except Ek bring zero physicality. With the possible exception of Kaprizov. If we rounded out our depth with small, soft players we would be manhandled every night.
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I’m willing to accept watching our players be manhandled if it means we have speed skill and are scoring goals. This isn’t sumo
 
f7ben said:
Brazeau is the worst player this team has ever iced , the fact that someone gets butthurt over calling that out is ridiculous.

Nyquist has a history of being a useful nhl player and even a useful top 6 player for long stretches. He was playing on a horrible preds team. There was at least some hope that he could be useful given another fresh start elsewhere.

Brazeau has never done anything anywhere aside from get a puck shot in off his ass or skate. There was never any hope that he was anything other than a middling echl level plug.

Guerin is trash
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still trying to wrap my head around why it was necessary to trade two pending RFAs, both of whom are better players than the guy he got back, and give up a pick. If it was a cap dump, ok. But this ain't that.

similar to the Jiricek trade.. he may turn out but why give up a player who's already about as good as the player you're getting?

Maybe Brazeau will break somebody's eye socket in the playoffs and we can all cheer
 
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Saga of the Elk said:
still trying to wrap my head around why it was necessary to trade two pending RFAs, both of whom are better players than the guy he got back, and give up a pick. If it was a cap dump, ok. But this ain't that.

similar to the Jiricek trade.. he may turn out but why give up a player who's already about as good as the player you're getting?

Maybe Brazeau will break somebody's eye socket in the playoffs and we can all cheer
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I'm telling you full stop, Boston ran a pump and dump scheme and Guerin fell for it completely. They played Brazeau on the PP, with their top players, all to increase the value. He's a 6'6, 230lb, 27 year old career AHL player in his rookie season and they played him up the lineup to boost his value. Guerin and the pro scouts didn't look past the end of their noses once they saw 6'6, 230lbs.
 
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Saga of the Elk said:
still trying to wrap my head around why it was necessary to trade two pending RFAs, both of whom are better players than the guy he got back, and give up a pick. If it was a cap dump, ok. But this ain't that.

similar to the Jiricek trade.. he may turn out but why give up a player who's already about as good as the player you're getting?

Maybe Brazeau will break somebody's eye socket in the playoffs and we can all cheer
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Jiricek I understand completely. High upside player in a position of need. We gave up alot for him but if he develops it was totally worth it. Brazeau has zero upside and is a complete liability every time he touches the ice. What’s worse is now we are doomed to having to watch him be deployed constantly to try and make Billy not look like such an idiot somehow. Between Tronion and Brazeau Guerin is fully hamstringing the roster. Lauko was likely the best 4th line player we had all year. Could use him in the series coming up.
 
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Saga of the Elk said:
still trying to wrap my head around why it was necessary to trade two pending RFAs, both of whom are better players than the guy he got back, and give up a pick. If it was a cap dump, ok. But this ain't that.

similar to the Jiricek trade.. he may turn out but why give up a player who's already about as good as the player you're getting?

Maybe Brazeau will break somebody's eye socket in the playoffs and we can all cheer
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RFA means nothing if the team isn't going to QO them. The organization gets the out of not having to deal with that situation.

Lauko was the most useful player in the trade, but couldn't stay healthy. He's the only one I would have considered re-signing. At the end of the day all 3 players are waiver fodder quality players.

I'm still okay with the trade. The stuff MN had wasn't good, so try something else out. If it works great if it doesn't there is still nothing lost. We're talking about Beckman, Milne, and Walker quality players with these guys; not Boldy, Fiala, or Kap quality players.
 
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RFA means nothing if the team isn't going to QO them. The organization gets the out of not having to deal with that situation.

Lauko was the most useful player in the trade, but couldn't stay healthy. He's the only one I would have considered re-signing. At the end of the day all 3 players are waiver fodder quality players.

I'm still okay with the trade. The stuff MN had wasn't good, so try something else out. If it works great if it doesn't there is still nothing lost. We're talking about Beckman, Milne, and Walker quality players with these guys; not Boldy, Fiala, or Kap quality players.
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You don't give up on a 22 year old rookie because he's not quite a good NHL player yet.
 
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