Puck Daddy's Top 25 Goalie list

[Inquiring Minds]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/and-now-for-something-completely-serious--top-25-nhl-goalie-rankings-in-2015-16-193818311-nhl.html

And Bob comes in at #6

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[Johansen2Foligno]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/and-now-for-something-completely-serious--top-25-nhl-goalie-rankings-in-2015-16-193818311-nhl.html

And Bob comes in at #6

 

[EspenK]

before we get too excited about Bob I'd like to see him have stats way better than the 17th ranked guy.

 

[stevo61]

Really weird list.

Who cares what Mason does in Philly, as long as Bob keeps winning we'll be happy. Im curious to see how his new routine will work out and if he can stay healthy

 

[Light the Lamp]

I think that is too high. Probably based more on reputation and hardware. Bob needs to correct a couple things before he gets to the elite level.

Better starts to season and stay healthy. He corrects those two areas, he is top 5.

 

[Xoggz22]

When Bob plays for extended stretches he is outstanding. Last year he had two long stretches around some injuries. Bob needs consistent work to stay at an elite level in my opinion. Starts and stops seem to affect him more.

 

[cslebn]

Cam was #19 on the RW list and Dubi was criminally missing (even HM, Arty was an HM) from the centers list (Joey was like 13).
Foligno #6 LW, Saad #13 LW, Hartnell #18 LW

They like our forwards.

 

[Viqsi]

Cam was #19 on the RW list and Dubi was criminally missing (even HM, Arty was an HM) from the centers list (Joey was like 13).
Foligno #6 LW, Saad #13 LW, Hartnell #18 LW

They like our forwards.

Dubi was on the HM list. Near the bottom with names like Barkov, Lindholm, Girgensons, Eichel, and McDavid.

You want criminal omissions, look at the list of defensemen. Jack Johnson makes the honorable mentions... and that's it. No Murray.

 

[DarkandStormy]

I love the fake outrage for a kid not being on a list when he played 12 games last season.

Dubi isn't a top 25 center.

But proceed with being offended by a meaningless list.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Exactly he's played 78 game sin his NHL career and you really think he should be on anyone's list of top 25 d-men in the league? Or maybe the outrage is he isn't in the top 40/50 including honorable mention?

He has potential. But on most NHL franchises he would be slotted on the 2nd pairing knowing IF he stays healthy he could be a top pairing guy. Very few franchises (if any) would he be slotted on top pairing with no other top pairing guy on the roster.

 

[Nordique]

I'm burned out myself on the Murray potential subject. Time to see him play a full season and deliver.

 

[Viqsi]

I love the fake outrage for a kid not being on a list when he played 12 games last season.

Dubi isn't a top 25 center.

But proceed with being offended by a meaningless list.

...outrage? Where'd you get outrage and offense? Hon, I dunno how much attention you've been paying around here, but when I'm outraged, folks ****in' know it.

I just figured he deserved a Honorable Mention spot over JJ, that's all.

 

[Crede777]

Dubi was on the HM list. Near the bottom with names like Barkov, Lindholm, Girgensons, Eichel, and McDavid.

You want criminal omissions, look at the list of defensemen. Jack Johnson makes the honorable mentions... and that's it. No Murray.

Yeah that'll change this season. Murray is going to rekindle the "Edmonton should have drafted him instead of Yakupov" talk and start some "why didn't people talk about Murray more" threads.

Plus Savard will be a top-60 defenseman. Not necessarily elite, but he should place somewhere between 40-55 at the end of the season as an aggregate assessment of his abilities with regards to minutes, points, and special teams play.

My main concern is Bob solidifying his position and Foligno coming up with a semblance of a reproduction of this year's offense. Also let's avoid a big dropoff for Hartnell.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Yeah that'll change this season. Murray is going to rekindle the "Edmonton should have drafted him instead of Yakupov" talk and start some "why didn't people talk about Murray more" threads. Plus Savard will be a top-60 defenseman.

Fingers crossed, anyways

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I don't get why people are so hard on Bob when we all know the defense was pretty bad last year. I only wish Bob would stay healthy.

 

[stevo61]

I think that is too high. Probably based more on reputation and hardware. Bob needs to correct a couple things before he gets to the elite level.

Better starts to season and stay healthy. He corrects those two areas, he is top 5.

you mean like Quick being number 5 or Crawford being over Varlamov? Or Fleury over Mason?

 

[cslebn]

I love the fake outrage for a kid not being on a list when he played 12 games last season.

Dubi isn't a top 25 center.

But proceed with being offended by a meaningless list.

Actually, I disagree with the Dubi part. No he's not top 25. However, he certainly deserves to be an HM. His production numbers while being used in a shutdown role are actually quite good (read better than Joey, Stepan, Brassard, etc). If he could stay healthy with the way he has produced as a Jacket it would open some eyes.

PS all lists are meaningless except that they can be fun.

 

[major major]

The Center pool is stronger than the RW pool, but I'd still take Dubi in the 20-30 range out of all the C's available (ahead of Eric Staal and David Backes), and Cam I wouldn't take in the top 25 RW's (behind Silfverberg, Kevin Hayes, Mark Stone, Michael Frolik).

No arguments with their appraisal of Foligno, Saad, and Hartnell.

 

[CBJx614]

So by comparing Getzlaf to Messier and Johansen to Getzlaf does that mean Johansen could be the next Messier after Getzlaf?!

 

[thebus2288*]

Yeah that'll change this season. Murray is going to rekindle the "Edmonton should have drafted him instead of Yakupov" talk and start some "why didn't people talk about Murray more" threads..

Absolutely. Along with the "we knew he had it in him, we just wanted to see him healthy" from some 'anti-Murray' folk around here. People are acting like he was drafted in 09 and hurt every year. He was picked 3 years ago and he played almost the whole year in 13/14 anyway. His injuries have more to do with him playing a professional contact sport at 20 then they do him being "injury prone". The dude would be on the top pair on half the teams in the league and on the 2nd pair on the other half.

Plus Savard will be a top-60 defenseman. Not necessarily elite, but he should place somewhere between 40-55 at the end of the season as an aggregate assessment of his abilities with regards to minutes, points, and special teams play.

My main concern is Bob solidifying his position and Foligno coming up with a semblance of a reproduction of this year's offense. Also let's avoid a big dropoff for Hartnell.

I expect a small statistical drop for Hartnell because of (hopefully) full seasons from Jenner and Dubi, along with the Saad addition. The on ice impact he will have will not change for a few more years though IMO. The way he, Dubi, and Foligno play the game(most of the time) should not be underestimated, points being put up or not.

I believe Savard will be this years Foligno, for both the CBJ and the NHL. For the past 2+ years both guys have been playing at a pretty consistent level. While Savard has definitely "cleaned up" more things (primarily weight/conditioning IMO) since 2012, not a whole lot has changed with either guys game. Foligno didn't do too much different last year than he did in 13/14. Although he did cut his PIM in half which is interesting. The things that have changed IMO are an increase in confidence, an increased offensive role and just some old fashioned "puck luck". This "luck" may be directly related to the bump in confidence and more offensive chances.

Bottom line is we cant forget the injuries. Both the defense and offense affected us negatively in our own zone last year. While I was one of the people who dismissed letting Mackenzie go, it really ended up biting us last year. Without attacking the supposed defensive acumen of a certain Scandinavian center, the fact is that last year because of the loss of depth, especially center depth, our bottom 2 lines were eaten up on a regular basis in our defensive zone. The amount of icetime (non 4th line minutes) Tropp, Skille, Gibbons, Chaput, Morin and Cracknell were getting throughout most of the year was devastating to our team.

Overall I don't think our defense is as bad as people think. Or maybe I should say I think they're better than people think. I don't think we need an overall "top 4" or "top pair" upgrade. What we truly need is real defensive upgrade. What would be perfect would be an older guy to be able to play 3rd pair minutes helping out whatever younger partner he'd be paired up with (Golobeuf, Connauton, Prout, etc.) along with playing top PK time and be capable to move up late in games and pair with a Murray/Savard/Johnson when we're up. I think another guy some people are starting to overlook or underestimate is Tyutin. While he did seem to have lost a step at times last year he's still a good all around guy whose intelligence on the ice will not be affected by age. I wouldn't be surprised if Fedor was playing through minor injuries throughout the year last year.

So while I think most of our "defensive" issues last year had to do with our bottom 6 forwards and I do think we could use a defensive minded guy back there, Bob has to be better on a more consistent basis. My main issue with Bob is his consistency. Some nights he plays like the best goalie in the league while other nights he looks like a bottom 5 starter. Even though as a team(especially last year) we have a tendency to "start out slow"(which is an understatement), and some could be blamed on bad D, its pretty fascinating how many times Bob seemed to get "lit up" really early in games last year. If I remember correctly, many goals could be blamed on him. Another issue I have with him is he seems to have trouble with long shots or shots with traffic on a regular basis. This was highlighted in the Pens series. I know he plays a pretty relaxed/controlled style, but on occasion, mainly point shots, he seems almost too nonchalant about things.

Not from the point but this goal will always stick in my head as a perfect example..