Proposed World Cup/ Olympic format
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I like it, but of course those nations wouldn't be guaranteed. Like you said a qualifier or just go with the IIHF rankings to determine top8/bottom groups. Groups in my view would be (#1,#3,#5, #7) (#2,#4,#6, #8)
Slovakia and Switzerland are not quite at the same tier as the rest of the Big 6. They would almost certainly be the bottom-ranked teams of their respective groups.
16 teams is more than necessary. We would have too many games on our hands, it would be impossible to squeeze all the games into the old schedule (the games are already spread out too long for the liking of the NHL).
Top 6 (Canada, Sweden, USA, Finland, Russia, Czech Rep.)/bottom 6 (two teams from the top 8 + 4 qualifiers) would be a better solution and the underlying principle wouldn't change either.
The main drawback is that some teams would only play 2 games in the tournament.
To conclude: I vote nay. The current format is good enough (except for the qualifying rounds).
16 teams is more than necessary. We would have too many games on our hands, it would be impossible to squeeze all the games into the old schedule (the games are already spread out too long for the liking of the NHL).
Top 6 (Canada, Sweden, USA, Finland, Russia, Czech Rep.)/bottom 6 (two teams from the top 8 + 4 qualifiers) would be a better solution and the underlying principle wouldn't change either.
The main drawback is that some teams would only play 2 games in the tournament.
To conclude: I vote nay. The current format is good enough (except for the qualifying rounds).
Wouldn't it be more fair/equal with (#1,#4,#5,#8) (#2,#3,#6,#7)?
But yeah, otherwise it looks like a good tournament format.
JETZZZ
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For the next World Cup, it should be the top 8 nations ranked by the iihf instead of making up stupid random all star teams. Each team play each other once for a total of 7 games each. After the preliminary round is over, take the top 4 placed teams and put them in the semi finals, followed by the finals. Make sure its not NHL only so each team can send their best possible roster, have nationally neutral refereeing for each game, get rid of jersey adds and ice adds, and make a world cup trophy that isn't an ugly hunk of plastic...Unfortunately, the World Cup is going to become a joke, AND its going to kill best on best olympic hockey.
I actually like this idea. I would even set it up so that the quarterfinal game is the day after the play-in game. Just the idea of having to play elimination games on back to back days should give teams reason to go hard for the top 2 spots.
If the NHL was to tie itself to the IIHF ranking while picking the participants for their own tournament, they could potentially create themselves a very embarassing, albeit unlikely situation.
Namely, what happens if one of the big countries falls below that top-8 line?
Yes, it's extremely unlikely, but not impossible either. It doesn't necessarily signify a dip in the performance level of said country - simply e.g. five losses in five straight years in WHC quarterfinal games can potentially lead to said situation. That's a pitfall not unthinkable even to the almighty Canada.
I don't think no one's ever seriously complained that the World Cup is an invitational event. Seriously, if the NHL wanted to call in Slovenia and China instead of Slovakia and Switzerland - people would think they're smoking something up there in the ivory tower, but yeah - it'd still follow all other conventions of the proper international format.
If the NHL wanted to adhere to the IIHF's judgment, I'd say a better method would be to have an automatic entry to the top-six of the IIHF ranking and then two wild card slots. That way, they could ensure that all the big players are there even if one of them has momentarily fallen out of grace, and if the usual suspects populate the top-six they could even dish out the remaining two to whoever wants to pay most for 'em. The House wins either way.
JackSlater
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Proposed World Cup format:
One city. Say Toronto this time, Moscow next time, alternate between North America and Europe. Structure is as follows.
8 teams, current IIHF top 8 are fine. Groups with alternating seeds.
Group A - Sweden, Canada, Czech Republic, Slovakia
Group B - Finland, Russia, USA, Switzerland
Each team plays the other teams in its group once. Top seeds from each group get a buy to the semi finals. Bottom team from each group is dropped. Second team from group A plays the third team from group B, and reverse for the other quarterfinal. Winner goes to semi - final. Final is a best of three. This structure (which features actual national teams) would work just fine and wouldn't be too much for one city to handle.
One city. Say Toronto this time, Moscow next time, alternate between North America and Europe. Structure is as follows.
8 teams, current IIHF top 8 are fine. Groups with alternating seeds.
Group A - Sweden, Canada, Czech Republic, Slovakia
Group B - Finland, Russia, USA, Switzerland
Each team plays the other teams in its group once. Top seeds from each group get a buy to the semi finals. Bottom team from each group is dropped. Second team from group A plays the third team from group B, and reverse for the other quarterfinal. Winner goes to semi - final. Final is a best of three. This structure (which features actual national teams) would work just fine and wouldn't be too much for one city to handle.
12 (national) teams
2 groups ( A & B ,each team plays 5 games )
quarter finals
semis
final ( one game or maybe best of 3 )
bottom team for each group is relegated
all leagues are shut and they release all their players and the first WC is played somewhere in Canada.
2 groups ( A & B ,each team plays 5 games )
quarter finals
semis
final ( one game or maybe best of 3 )
bottom team for each group is relegated
all leagues are shut and they release all their players and the first WC is played somewhere in Canada.
2020 they're going with a qualifying tournament for the lesser nations and dropping the "all-star" teams I can hand it for 1 tournament but if it was ongoing I would be pissed.
maybe make a relegation rule where you're prohibited from playing in the tournament 1 cycle through if you finish in the bottom?
JackSlater
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Who would fund the qualifying tournament? How many teams? Where would it be held? Assuming that it would be immediately in advance of the actual tournament, when would teams be required to report to training camp? That seems like a lot of money and effort just to round out the field
And given that it won't be run by the IIHF, why would any federations care especially since the event will be viewed as a joke after what the NHL did to it this time?
The whole qualifying thing is BS anyway since there was no qualifying in 1996 or 2004.
The 1996 World Cup format in other words. I though it was great, especially the bye to the SF for the first place team.
My ideal would be for all eight teams to be in one group so that everyone plays everyone at least once. Then 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 in the QF, then SF and best of three final.
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