y2kcanucks
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I also think if the cap really does go down to $60M that Edler will have to sign for $4.6M. There is absolutely no way I go north of $5M for him.
And just how is everyone going to"get rid of these salaries". Who's going to want players that we don't want because they are too expensive?
we can buy them out if necessary.
With the rumours that the 2013-2014 cap may be 67M, we may not have to do much messing about.
True, although I wouldn't mind seeing a line of Jensen-Schroeder-Kassian as our 3rd line. AV would definitely have to manage their minutes and shelter that line, but try it in the regular season and if it just isn't working by around Christmas time (2013-14 season) then tweak it as needed. But I definitely need to see Kassian play with more consistency.
I think that's a bad idea. Gillis brought Kassian in to be a power forward, but right now he still wants to play a finesse game. He's not likely to rediscover that power game by playing limited minutes with two offensive rookies. He needs to play with someone like Lapierre or Kesler who go at the defense hard every shift, and not worry about making cute passes to set up goals (yet).
The absolute worst thing you could do for/to him! They took a third line player in Burrows and stuck him with the twins, that's what they should do with Kassian!I would actually prefer to see other players spoon fed softer zone starts in an effort to boost our secondary scoring. If the Sedins production drops to 50-60 points as a result then we simply don't re-sign them the following year. If the Sedins continue to produce at a PPG rate, while at the same time boosting the scoring of our secondary scorers then we become a better offensive team.
Putting Kassian on the Sedin line could potentially hurt that line as opposed to improving that line. I don't see what Kassian has done to deserve playing top line minutes in the NHL over someone like Dale Weise (let alone someone like Burrows who has actually produced in the NHL and has proven chemistry with the Sedins).
That's fair enough. I wouldn't put him on Kesler's line, but on the fourth line with Lapierre would make sense too. My only fear would be Kassian wouldn't get a chance to develop/fine tune his offensive game in that role.
The absolute worst thing you could do for/to him! They took a third line player in Burrows and stuck him with the twins, that's what they should do with Kassian!
I don't want to ever see Schroeder as the third line center! That's a bigger mans role, he plays top six or he doesn't play in my opinion, and I believe I've heard Canucks management and coaching say the same thing as well. He's been really underwhelming in the AHL this year, he's not been terrible by any means. But he should be at the very least a top 20 scorer in the American league.
I just don't see a future in the NHL for this kid, but whatdo I know.
So let me get this straight: Jordan Schroeder who has more goals and the same amount of points as Kassian in the AHL this year has been very underwhelming and isn't deserving of a spot on the third line next year, but Kassian should be just handed a spot on our top line? Do you seriously not see how contradictory you have been in a span of 2 posts?
Why do you just look at stats? Hockey isn't played on a clipboard, by the way, they play a totally different kind of game.
Andy strickland reported this in this article.
http://www.truehockey.com/articles/CBA-BreakdownWhere-Were-At
"2013-2014 Cap Number….
"Sources say the NHLPA has moved in the NHL’s direction when it comes to the 2013-2014 cap number. The NHL has it set at $60 million while the NHLPA has come down from $67 million towards the NHL’s position. Not quite all the way down to $60 million but less than $67."
Not sure what were looking at, I think we would be sitting comfortable around 64 million. I just hope it wont go to low.
Well bad news for us if this happens, kypreos claiming gary is adamant on 60 million. He wants to crush the big market teams and help the bad markets rise. He mentioned the PA will have some owners in their corner for this one.
I would hate to see it at 60.
Doug Mclean then just mentioned (if you want to count him as legit) and basically hinted he talked to a canucks member of management that they feel they could trade lou and buyout keith ballard and be ok.
I dont know if I buy that completely though. Still cutting it a bit close.
I'd argue that Tanev will probably see a contract around 1.7-2.2 million a year. He's a young defenseman on the upward trend whose' had two good seasons, is running a great season in the AHL right now, and has the potential and capability to slot into a top 4 role as soon as next season. If Aarome can get a $1.5 million contract for 3 years, Chris Tanev will definitely get more. Add to the fact that he's one of the few RD on the team, the Canucks will likely want to lock him up for a good mid-length deal.I can't see it being that much of a problem even at 60 million. The canucks are at 68 million right now (http://www.capgeek.com/canucks/salary_cap=$70,200,000). Manny Malholtra, Mason Raymond, Chris Higgins, Maxim Lapierre, Andrew Alberts, and Alex Edler are the bigger ufas while Tanev and Weise the bigger rfas. I doubt that Lapierre is due for much of a raise, Higgins might get a small one, I could see Malholtra being re-signed for around a million, Raymond not being brought back, Alberts not being brought back, Tanev a small raise and Weise around the same. The only real issue would be edler but that can be done.
Sedin (6.1)-Sedin (6.1)- Burrows (4.5)
Higgins (2.5 up from 1.9)- Kesler (5)- Booth (4.25)
Hansen (1.35)- Schroeder (1, he is an rfa but hasn't really done anything I don't see why he would get a raise) Lapierre (1.5 up from 1.0)
Weise (.6)- Malholtra (1.0 down from 2.5 he loves it here but will have to take a decrease to stay and there is no reason why he should stay the same)- Kassian (.87)
brings us to 34.77 million on forwards
Bieksa (4.6)- Hamhuis (4.5)
Edler (6.0 lets give him a raise here just hypothetically on the upper end)- Garrison (4.6)
Tanev (1.0 up from .9 hasn't really done anything to go up from that)- Ballard (4.2)
brings us to 24.9 for defense
Schneider (4.0)
Lack (.75)
4.75 for goaltending
So lets see where that bring us to, 64.42 and that is getting rid of Luongo. They would have to get rid of 4.42 million, with two options for doing that, either getting rid of Ballard or Booth. I think if they needed to it could be done but some tough decisions may have to be made. Sorry for the long post, I wrote it out partly for my own satisfaction and curiosity. I don't think that the cap will drop that far, I think between 64-67 is most likely, which can be easily reached. It does look like Luongo will have to go either way and Mason Raymond is most likely gone. It should definitely be interesting.
So some extra thoughts. I wonder if Nicklas Jensen might be a David Booth replacement. It would save money as well as put Jensen in a place to succeed. I also noticed people saying that they don't think that the Canucks could trade booth or ballard. I doubt that would happen. There will always be weak teams who want to hit the cap floor.
I'd argue that Tanev will probably see a contract around 1.7-2.2 million a year. He's a young defenseman on the upward trend whose' had two good seasons, is running a great season in the AHL right now, and has the potential and capability to slot into a top 4 role as soon as next season. If Aarome can get a $1.5 million contract for 3 years, Chris Tanev will definitely get more. Add to the fact that he's one of the few RD on the team, the Canucks will likely want to lock him up for a good mid-length deal.
3 years for $5-7 million is my best guess.
Sounds like the latest is PA offered 65 million but cap floor stays at 44 million. Would be nice.