Pro-Scouting Director Candidates

[ElProfessor]

Copp (5.6)
Compher (5.1)
Tarasenko (4.8)
Holl (3.4)
Assmusen (3.2 *exension)
Petry (2.3)
Gustafsson (2)

You want to know why the team sucks? It's got $26.4 million dollars worth of AHL-level players on it.

Seider, Raymond, Ed, etc. They should already have playoff experience.

Have any of the pro-scouts who thought these signings were good ideas been fired? No. Have any new pro-scouts been hired? No.

It's actually terrifying imagining what they might spend all their cap space this summer on.

We could be at a big cross-roads here.


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Just flipping through some of the better organization's directories...these were the best candidates I could find:

Tampa: No Dir. of Pro Scouting...but Jamie Pushor, Ast GM/Dir. of Player Personnel. He started as a pro scout there and became Dir. of Pro Scouting. Drafted by us/played w Yzerman/hired by Yzerman in Tampa. He seems like he'd be a strong candidate to poach.

Islanders: Director of Pro Scouting: Ken Morrow. He's actually been w the Islanders since the JimmyD days (and played on the miracle on ice team). Some connection there.

Dallas: Head Pro Scout Craig Bonner. No real connections to us. Maybe some Red Wing Yzerman connection if he had a Jim Nill connection. Maybe not.

Vegas: Director of Pro Scouting Jim McKenzie. They've probably done as good a job as anyone acquiring pro talent. No real connections to us though.

Boston: Director of Pro Scouting Dennis Bonvie. No obvious connection I can see.

Carolina: Director of Pro Scouting Mark Craig. Also no obvious connections.

Rangers: Associate Director of Player Personnel & Director of Pro Scouting: Garth Joy. No obvious connections.

Edmonton: Director of Pro Scouting Warren Rychel. Don't see any obvious connections...maybe to Holland...but maybe that would be a negative.

Florida, Colorado: Don't have a Director/Head of Pro-Scouting listed. Maybe someone there is unofficially in the role.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I nominate myself for the job.

Hey, I can’t be worse than what they have now.

 

[Ulysses31]

Copp
Compher
Tarasenko
Assmusen (exension)
Holl
Gustafsson
Petry

I don't care about the Fischer's, Motte's, Lyon's, etc. who were given 1yr league min'ish deals to BE borderline AHL players.

These guys are all ^ essentially borderline AHL'ers on the roster who were given major deals by Yzerman.

I'm as pro-Yzerman and as pro-Yzerplan as they come. I think All the most important aspects of the rebuild have been executed exceptionally wonderfully, to this point.

But our Pro-Scouting and NHL talent acquisition has been a flat out F-. We should have made the playoffs last yr. We should be making the playoffs this yr. Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, Johansson, Soderblom, Mazur, etc. should be getting NHL playoff experience right now. These GARBAGE signings are why they're not. And there's no good reason that they shouldn't be. There's no reason whatsoever that this ^ huge chunk of cap space shouldn't have instead been spent on quality NHL players.

I don't see any new pro-scouts being hired. I don't see any of the pro-scouts who thought these signings were good ideas being fired. We haven't had an actual Pro-Scouting Director since Howe retired.

We have all this cap space. We are entering this critical crossroad of the rebuild. And we still have all these people who made all these horrible mistakes in place.

I'm quadruple red-alert terrified about what they're going to do with our cap space this summer. It doesn't seem like the errors are being addressed and corrected.

Of those tank, holl, goofy are/were complete failures. Rasmussen's contract is good IMO, other 1s not failures but not necessarily good either.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Of those tank, holl, goofy are/were complete failures. Rasmussen's contract is good IMO, other 1s not failures but not necessarily good either.

I'm guessing goofy is Gus? I agree. Gus's was bad though I understand not trying to be the deal Ghost got from the Hurricanes. But man has he been a disappointment.

The Holl signing however has been brutal for this team and has to be Yzerman's worst.

They keep giving him chances to prove he's a competent bottom pairing d-man and he simply can't do it. His contract is unmovable so they ended up making trades like with Maatta because he's easier to deal. They've got this total dead weight they have to keep shifting around on the roster.

 

[SantosHalper]

I think people are overestimating the effect of director of pro scouting. Surely good pro scouts can make a difference, like for example whom ever it was who found Forsling to Florida certainly earned his paycheck.


But do they really need a director? Director of pro scouting sounds like a paper pushing job or mostly ceremonial job, Mark Howe is the only director of pro scouting Wings had. There wasn't one before him and when he retired, he wasn't replaced.


And in the summer 2021, i met Oilers european pro scout and i asked what exactly you are doing. He said watches +200 games a year live, all around Europe and then he writes a report and sends it to the GM. And they have a meeting with all the pro scouts once(?) a year, where they go through those reports. Sounded very much like in that equation there isn't a need for a middle man between pro scouts and GM.


Second question is, how much pro scouting the likes of Copp, Compher, Chiarot, Holl, Tarasenko, Petry etc.. needs? Those guys been in the league for years before Wings signed them. Even most of the fans had pretty good picture what we got. And other thing is, if there was a better UFA available than those names above and he's not interested, case is closed. Same with trades, if the other GM ain't interested or he wants something what Yzerman isn't willing to give, thats it then.


Wings have 6 pro scouts, 1 of them is european pro scout, so 5 of them operate in NA. I would imagine that they have their own regions like amateur scouts. 1 scouting AHL western conference and 1 in the east, and same thing in NHL. 1 in the west and 1 in the east, since Maltby is also coaching a high school team in Michigan, so he's living in the area. But what he is scouting for is hard to say. My guess he's travelling to be the second pair of eyes where ever Steve wants him to go, east or west. And fills a second report on same players than the other scout.


These teams also doesn't have director of pro scouting:

Colorado, Florida, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Montreal, Pittsburg, San Jose, St.Louis, Tampa Bay & Toronto. Utah(?)


These teams don't have director of pro scouting but they have head pro scout:

Calgary, Chicago x2(1 in NA & 1 Europe), Dallas, Nashville, New Jersey & Washington. Utah(?)

 

[Winger98]

I'm guessing goofy is Gus? I agree. Gus's was bad though I understand not trying to be the deal Ghost got from the Hurricanes. But man has he been a disappointment.

The Holl signing however has been brutal for this team and has to be Yzerman's worst.

They keep giving him chances to prove he's a competent bottom pairing d-man and he simply can't do it. His contract is unmovable so they ended up making trades like with Maatta because he's easier to deal. They've got this total dead weight they have to keep shifting around on the roster.

I thought Gus had looked better since McLellen took over, but it was really just january. February and March have hit him hard, though those months haven't been kind to the team in general. I wouldn't go out of my way to run Gus out if we can replace Holl and give him a full camp next year, though. He's cheap enough to bury and left side D is something we have options with in GR.