Value of: PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE TRADE

[Digital Kid]

Probably tough to prove historically, although perhaps Sam Pollock with the Canadiens did this is the 1970s, but if you were, say, Boston or Carolina, would you throw something at the Blackhawks so that they RETAIN Patrick Kane and NOT trade him to the Rangers?

Admittedly you are trading prospects or picks that would also benefit other teams, but my thinking is that you (Boston) gain not by addition but by preventing others from adding.

Is this even possible in a 32-team league?

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[EastVillageBlues]

You mean collusion?

This would go down well in arbitration courts.

 

[Chan790]

Probably tough to prove historically, although perhaps Sam Pollock with the Canadiens did this is the 1970s, but if you were, say, Boston or Carolina, would you throw something at the Blackhawks so that they RETAIN Patrick Kane and NOT trade him to the Rangers?

Admittedly you are trading prospects or picks that would also benefit other teams, but my thinking is that you (Boston) gain not by addition but by preventing others from adding.

Is this even possible in a 32-team league?

Not for Kane. I don't have any fear of the Rags.

I might pay something to keep Maier out of the Metro...not to SJ. I might facilitate a Vegas deal where we get a veteran F and they get specs to send to SJ.

 

[Djp]

I don’t think you can do that.

it’s always one of these not in writing type of things like if Carolina acquire a secondary player from Chicago like Laf fert and in the surface they overpaid. Part of the reason is that they said we give you this but you can’t trade Kane to the rangers, if not then we only gibpve you this lesser package.

 

[Chainshot]

Probably tough to prove historically, although perhaps Sam Pollock with the Canadiens did this is the 1970s, but if you were, say, Boston or Carolina, would you throw something at the Blackhawks so that they RETAIN Patrick Kane and NOT trade him to the Rangers?

Admittedly you are trading prospects or picks that would also benefit other teams, but my thinking is that you (Boston) gain not by addition but by preventing others from adding.

Is this even possible in a 32-team league?

Years ago, there was a trade involving swapping draft picks where a condition of the deal was that one team not take a particular player in the draft. Buffalo dealt Alan Haworth and a third round pick to the Caps for two second rounders and a condition of the deal was that the Caps not select Phil Housley... who they had no intention of drafting. They instead happily took a useful checking line player in the trade and selected the fearsome Scott Stevens instead.

 

[cwede]

How cowardly.
Trust your team.
Dont't waste cycles plotting to undermine rivals.
Just make your team deep and ready

 

[BLNY]

Pollock used his powers of persuasion to work deals that involved his team. Working the system so the Habs would be in position to draft Lafleur is a prime example. Did he plant seeds through conversation with competing clubs? Maybe. Did he outright get one team to do a deal with another that didn't include Montreal, benefited him? That wouldn't be kosher.

 

[Nakawick]

Sounds like something attached to future considerations.

“2023 3rd round pick becomes a 2023 2nd round pick if Kane finishes the season on any team except the Rangers”.

 

[GKJ]

The closest thing I can think of something like this happening is when Erik Karlsson was traded and there was the condition that he could not appear on an eastern conference team’s reserve list before a certain date. That was after the Mike Hoffman trade where the Senators got a 6th and the Sharks immediately flipped him to the Panthers for a 2nd.

I can’t see something like what’s been proposed actually happening though. Teams have to actually trade tangible assets.

 

[Digital Kid]

You mean collusion?

This would go down well in arbitration courts.

Not sure how this is collusion. This is between you and Chicago.

They might exchange Boston's 4th and 5th rounders for Chicago's 5th rounder, but Boston's 4th is conditional and becomes their 2025 1st if Kane stays in Chicago this year.

Something like that.

My theory is that a less difficult Stanley Cup run is worth the price paid for this last chance to dance.

 

[SML2]

So you're going to burn a bridge with one of the greatest players in franchise history because he wants to move on when you are rebuilding? For what, a draft pick?

Very Game of Thrones...

 

[BurgoShark]

Years ago, there was a trade involving swapping draft picks where a condition of the deal was that one team not take a particular player in the draft. Buffalo dealt Alan Haworth and a third round pick to the Caps for two second rounders and a condition of the deal was that the Caps not select Phil Housley... who they had no intention of drafting. They instead happily took a useful checking line player in the trade and selected the fearsome Scott Stevens instead.

Also happened with the Sedins in 1999 and with Nash/Bouwmeester in 2002 - both times with the Trashers.

In 1999 Vancouver traded 1oa to Atlanta for 2oa on the condition that they would not pick either Sedin.
In 2002 Florida and Columbus swapped spots (#1 to #3). Florida then traded a 3rd and 4th round pick to Atlanta to not draft Bouwmeester.

it’s always one of these not in writing type of things like if Carolina acquire a secondary player from Chicago like Laf fert and in the surface they overpaid. Part of the reason is that they said we give you this but you can’t trade Kane to the rangers, if not then we only give you this lesser package.

Yeah. This would be the way to achieve it. I'm sure these conversations happen.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Probably tough to prove historically, although perhaps Sam Pollock with the Canadiens did this is the 1970s, but if you were, say, Boston or Carolina, would you throw something at the Blackhawks so that they RETAIN Patrick Kane and NOT trade him to the Rangers?

Admittedly you are trading prospects or picks that would also benefit other teams, but my thinking is that you (Boston) gain not by addition but by preventing others from adding.

Is this even possible in a 32-team league?

Is something like this what you're talking about (ie offering the Giants Venafro so they lose interest in Rincon)?

 

[Djp]

Also happened with the Sedins in 1999 and with Nash/Bouwmeester in 2002 - both times with the Trashers.

In 1999 Vancouver traded 1oa to Atlanta for 2oa on the condition that they would not pick either Sedin.
In 2002 Florida and Columbus swapped spots (#1 to #3). Florida then traded a 3rd and 4th round pick to Atlanta to not draft Bouwmeester.


Yeah. This would be the way to achieve it. I'm sure these conversations happen.

rules around draft picks are different than current nhl roster players

the Sabres and kings mad a trade of flipping 1st round picks in 2008 drsft. Buffalo gave them a 3rd to flip….the condition of the trade ….the GMs each wrote down the player they would pick. If same name then no trade.

 

[BurgoShark]

rules around draft picks are different than current nhl roster players

the Sabres and kings mad a trade of flipping 1st round picks in 2008 drsft. Buffalo gave them a 3rd to flip….the condition of the trade ….the GMs each wrote down the player they would pick. If same name then no trade.

Cool - thanks - yeah, was just responding to the earlier example from the draft.

 

[TGWL]

It would take multiple teams doing that to equal the assets you would have gotten trading that player.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Not sure how this is collusion. This is between you and Chicago.

They might exchange Boston's 4th and 5th rounders for Chicago's 5th rounder, but Boston's 4th is conditional and becomes their 2025 1st if Kane stays in Chicago this year.

Something like that.

My theory is that a less difficult Stanley Cup run is worth the price paid for this last chance to dance.

It's paying a supplier to not do business with your competitor. That's some major RICO charge with fin regulators.

 

[Schemp]

I clicked on here thinking that the Sabres were looking for a zamboni repairman.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I mean, the only way to stop a team from trading a player to another team is to trade for that player yourself

 

[BurgoShark]

It would take multiple teams doing that to equal the assets you would have gotten trading that player.

I mean, the only way to stop a team from trading a player to another team is to trade for that player yourself

Not necessarily. Maybe that is the case in this Kane situation where it is reported that he will only accept a trade to one particular team - but in most scenarios teams have multiple comparable offers. You would only need to offer enough to make the total return better overall.