Preferred Outcome for the Pens Pick

[sharski]

I have the perfect solution

Regulation win = +0 balls in the lottery
Overtime/Shootout win = +1 ball in the lottery
Overtime/Shootout loss = +2 balls in the lottery
Regulation loss = +4 balls in the lottery

Then instead of having a draft order that repeats in rounds, we just keep drawing ping pong balls to see who picks next until every team has their 7 picks (or whoever they traded them to)

That way, Chicago could win the cup and still theoretically get the first 7 picks of the draft

You're welcome

 

[jMoneyBrah]

…That way, Chicago could win the cup and still theoretically get the first 7 picks of the draft…

/Betman makes air quotes gesture

“theoretically”

 

[SjMilhouse]

Just get rid of the lottery all together and go off standings. If you want you can add a rule like you can't pick 1st overall more than 2 times in a 5 year span and if you are last place 3 years in a row for example, you move to 3rd overall and the 2nd and 3rd worst team move up a spot.

So long as there is a benefit to being last, teams will in theory tank.

 

[landshark]

Could you guys imagine if there was actually enough talent to fill up the rosters of all 32 teams with quality players? Perhaps the league should drop a few teams to increase the quality of competition league wide...






hahahahahahah couldn't get that out with a straight face. Capitalists gonna capital.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Its funny how in other Sharks lottery years, 9th, 7th, 4th, no one complained or brought up the lottery system but when Sharks are dead last all of a sudden its a problem that needs fixed, before the next drawing and draft im sure

 

[Barrie22]

Its funny how in other Sharks lottery years, 9th, 7th, 4th, no one complained or brought up the lottery system but when Sharks are dead last all of a sudden its a problem that needs fixed, before the next drawing and draft im sure

And when Chicago wins it again, there won't be a peep.

 

[landshark]

Its funny how in other Sharks lottery years, 9th, 7th, 4th, no one complained or brought up the lottery system but when Sharks are dead last all of a sudden its a problem that needs fixed, before the next drawing and draft im sure

HAWKS WIN!

And when Chicago wins it again, there won't be a peep.

Damn, beat me to it!

 

[Juxtaposer]

Its funny how in other Sharks lottery years, 9th, 7th, 4th, no one complained or brought up the lottery system but when Sharks are dead last all of a sudden its a problem that needs fixed, before the next drawing and draft im sure

People not complaining about something until it directly affects them? Truly shocking, I tell you!

 

[Levie]

Its funny how in other Sharks lottery years, 9th, 7th, 4th, no one complained or brought up the lottery system but when Sharks are dead last all of a sudden its a problem that needs fixed, before the next drawing and draft im sure

Yea. No one has ever complained about the NHL draft lottery. Ever.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Yea. No one has ever complained about the NHL draft lottery. Ever.

Yeah. No one was complaining about the lottery here when the Sharks could move up. As I pointed out. Ever.

 

[coooldude]

Yeah. No one was complaining about the lottery here when the Sharks could move up. As I pointed out. Ever.

You can think something is dumb and not post about it, and then post about it when it's far more relevant.

It would be foolish to criticize people in a few years for complaining about RFA rules, or trying to make it to the cap floor, or if we're so lucky, debating the way that LTIR and cap ceilings work, because they didn't complain about them this year, when those things aren't really relevant.

The lottery is dumb, that's my opinion and a few others agree. Some don't agree. It's not a strong critique to say "you weren't saying it before." Some of us took a few years off from this dumpster fire, anyway.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

You can think something is dumb and not post about it, and then post about it when it's far more relevant.

It would be foolish to criticize people in a few years for complaining about RFA rules, or trying to make it to the cap floor, or if we're so lucky, debating the way that LTIR and cap ceilings work, because they didn't complain about them this year, when those things aren't really relevant.

The lottery is dumb, that's my opinion and a few others agree. Some don't agree. It's not a strong critique to say "you weren't saying it before." Some of us took a few years off from this dumpster fire, anyway.

True

But, people here were actively rooting for the Sharks to move up in previous lotteries, obviously, and rooting to lose to improve our odds. Now that we finished last its just "well no one else should move up and pass us, it should be changed!"

 

[Levie]

Yeah. No one was complaining about the lottery here when the Sharks could move up. As I pointed out. Ever.

Yea everyone in this board was thrilled when Chicago won the pick last year even though they were "ahead" of the Sharks in standings.

 

[coooldude]

True

But, people here were actively rooting for the Sharks to move up in previous lotteries, obviously, and rooting to lose to improve our odds. Now that we finished last its just "well no one else should move up and pass us, it should be changed!"

My personal POV is this:

The system is unnecessarily complex, isn't as fair as it seems, doesn't deter tanking (which I'm not sure is a problem anyway), and it should be changed, either to a reverse standings draft, or a lottery for just the bottom 4 division losers, or something else simple - open to proposals.

While the system is in place, dumb as I think it is, I want my team to benefit from it. But I can also admit that the system is dumb even if we get lottery luck this year or next, and I can be happy about the luck even if I think it's a dumb system.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Yea everyone in this board was thrilled when Chicago won the pick last year even though they were "ahead" of the Sharks in standings.

Slowly but surely you will catch up and realize the conversation

My personal POV is this:

The system is unnecessarily complex, isn't as fair as it seems, doesn't deter tanking (which I'm not sure is a problem anyway), and it should be changed, either to a reverse standings draft, or a lottery for just the bottom 4 division losers, or something else simple - open to proposals.

While the system is in place, dumb as I think it is, I want my team to benefit from it. But I can also admit that the system is dumb even if we get lottery luck this year or next, and I can be happy about the luck even if I think it's a dumb system.

Thats fine, my point is that everyone here was "Yes, we can move up and get Bedard instead of the actual last place team! Awesome!" And now its "We are last, no one should be able to pass us, this is shouldnt be allowed"

 

[CaptainShark]

Wrong thread, please delete

 

[matt trick]

Slowly but surely you will catch up and realize the conversation



Thats fine, my point is that everyone here was "Yes, we can move up and get Bedard instead of the actual last place team! Awesome!" And now its "We are last, no one should be able to pass us, this is shouldnt be allowed"

I think bottom 5-7 teams having a chance is kind of interesting, but there is such a gulf between us/Chicago and 5th that it'd be pretty rough to see NJD or someone win it. Aside from the fact their previous franchise player was traded at the deadline, and all the success, league-media love, I can't deny Chicago was a horrible team. Their timing was impeccable, no suffering required, but still they were horrible.

I think what bothers me is how do SJ, Chicago, and Anaheim have a 50% chance of winning the lottery, while 4-11 also have a 50% chance. Or that 7-11 have the same chance as the Sharks. NJ, Buff, and Ottawa all have multiple franchise players, and had playoff aspirations. Imagine Celebrini joining NJ, they'd be a powerhouse. Yet, I think there's a chance they end up a powerhouse anyway with their young talent. Hey maybe we'll get Hensler next year, and then jump from 11 to 1 for McKenna in 2026 and I'll be over the moon.

It just feels it should be something like 40, 25, 20, 10, 5, or just reverse order. I don't mind a lottery, but do mind the odds. I guess it creates more excitement for more franchises/fanbases though this way.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Hey maybe we'll get Hensler next year, and then jump from 11 to 1 for McKenna in 2026 and I'll be over the moon.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still bottom 5 in 2026. Though, bottom 10 in general sounds likely. So we should have a decent shot at McKenna.

 

[matt trick]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still bottom 5 in 2026. Though, bottom 10 in general sounds likely. So we should have a decent shot at McKenna.

Me neither. I'd be astounded if we weren't next year, but 2026 we're not going to be a playoff team even with Celebrini/Smith putting up an average of 80 points, which would be surprising (a very pleasant surprise) in sophomore years.

Even if Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Muk, and Musty exceed expectations we still have only one other middle six forwards (Zetterlund- RFA) locked in, and no top 3 d-men (not sure I'd consider Ferraro a 4 either). Hopefully #14 will give us one of those things. If Granlund or Ferraro are traded for a 1st that'll reduce the talent/leadership on the team as well. However, playoff team 1sts are good currency in a rebuild. Add future cheap talent, use it it for immediate help, or draft and develop a player, and then make a move for a Meier-type player if they're available.

I'm optimistic we get a #4 d-man and middle 6 forward or two in free agency/via trade. Hopefully Couture can bounce back and be a 40 point guy, but I'm not counting on it.

We need an awful lot, but being in the top 5 means getting cornerstone pieces. Everything else is much easier to acquire though not in one offseason, and drafting is the cheapest acquisition channel.

 

[Barrie22]

To get a bump to 5th overall, for the past 3 full seasons (not counting the covid seasons), the Sharks need to improve by 20+ points.

Even with a 100 point Karlsson we still needed 9 points to get the 5th pick.

Being better isn't really going to hurt the draft availability that much for the next 2 seasons probably. But we do need to see some kind of improvement.