Proposal: Predators-Penguins
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Empoleon8771
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Challenge: Have Leafs fans or Habs fans not make an unrelated thread about them *IMPOSSIBLE*
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We already paid a 1st for Reaves so why not. No I am not comparing them but they will be the "big bad guy" on the team.
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Porter Stoutheart
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Pass. The Preds are a shambles this season but Jeannot is a keeper. Somewhere between this season’s low and last season’s high there is still an extremely valuable heavy middle 6 forward there who should become a lifelong Predator. He is worth far more than a late 1st round pick to us.
Guys like Jeannot and Trenin are hard to find. Trenin gave the Avs a lot of problems in the playoffs. I’d hold onto them. Even if a 2023 1st round pick I’d project around 20th overall is a very good asset in its own right.
Definitely not an insulting offer from the Pens like the many you do see from Habs fans for their players.
Soon it will be Monahan + some B- prospect for Jeannott so I’ll get that out of their system here.
Bringer of Jollity
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As in...Danton Heinen?
Even if this season is closer to what Jeannot will be going forward than the 20+ goals and 40+ points last season, there's zero interest from a Preds perspective.
Even if this season is closer to what Jeannot will be going forward than the 20+ goals and 40+ points last season, there's zero interest from a Preds perspective.
Empoleon8771
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Why are you acting like Heinen is a notable part of this trade? It’s the Penguins 1st that is the main piece.
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I think what people actually say is Anderson with that long term cap hit has negative value. Hagel last year got the equivalent of 2 first rounders. Does that mean he was twice as good as players that received 1 first round pick? Most likely not, but his contract, age, etc made him that valuable to the Lightning.
Now lets look at Anderson and Jeannot.
Anderson over his career - 0.43 pts/game = 36 points over 82 games; 0.26 goals/game = 21 goals per 82 games; Anderson hits, is a physical presence and can play on any line if needed. 28 years old, cap hit $5.5 for this year and 4 more
Jeannot - 0.43 pts/game = 35 points per 82 games (Anderson had a couple decimal points higher so his 82 game total is 1 point higher); 0.25 goals/game = 20 goals per 82 games; Jeannot hits is a physical presence and can play on any line if needed. 25 years old, cap hit $800k and an RFA after this season.
You don't see the difference in value between the 2 players? Or you just wanted to make sure everyone knows your feelings were hurt by others opinion of Anderson?
Bringer of Jollity
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I wasn't (I forgot the guy was even in the league and wondered if it might be another player) and, as mentioned, it's of no interest.
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I would suspect if people out there wanted to target one of these guys then Trenin is probably the one to go after in terms of potential availability. There isn’t much separation between them in terms of hockey ability. Jeannot is faster and more eager to go. Trenin probably has a little more skill and is more just naturally strong than most.
But Trenin has a little bit of a history of potential grudges now with management. Of course that is just speculative. But not many players these days actually go all the way through salary arbitration, and he’s going to be UFA at the end of next year also.
So if anybody out there wants to go after one of these guys it should be Trenin, not Jeannot. Personally, I would not take a mid-late 1st for Trenin either. But at least it might be a little more plausible from the perspective of potential availability.
From the Leafs Id pay a 2023 1st + 2024 2nd + good prospect for Jeannot or a touch less for trenin.
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Empoleon8771
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I would suspect if people out there wanted to target one of these guys then Trenin is probably the one to go after in terms of potential availability. There isn’t much separation between them in terms of hockey ability. Jeannot is faster and more eager to go. Trenin probably has a little more skill and is more just naturally strong than most.
But Trenin has a little bit of a history of potential grudges now with management. Of course that is just speculative. But not many players these days actually go all the way through salary arbitration, and he’s going to be UFA at the end of next year also.
So if anybody out there wants to go after one of these guys it should be Trenin, not Jeannot. Personally, I would not take a mid-late 1st for Trenin either. But at least it might be a little more plausible from the perspective of potential availability.
Yeah, this makes sense to me. I think selling Jeannot right now is a tough sell, because you're either underselling him when he's on a cold streak or he's just not as good as he was last year. I think the risk of underselling him hurts more than the risk of keeping him and it turns out he isn't what he was last year, if that makes sense.
If you keep him and it turns out he's just not what he was last year, he's still an ultra physical bottom-6 guy that is really good on the penalty kill. Think Matt Cooke without the dirty stuff. That's disappointing based on what he showed in his rookie year, but that's still a useful player. If you trade him and he ends up a 25-25 player, you're going to be kicking yourself for that.
