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Google says Alpharetta is 35 minute drive from Mercedes-Benz. It’s very oddly shaped, Alpharetta is still in Fulton County.That looks a long way out from Atlanta itself. Even the Braces suburban ballpark is within the beltway.
Again, I'm re-entering my proposal for the Alpharetta Unicorns. (IYKYK)Google says Alpharetta is 35 minute drive from Mercedes-Benz. It’s very oddly shaped, Alpharetta is still in Fulton County.
Also, Alpharetta is fun to say.
Remember when KC built the Sprint Center like 15 years ago? No NHL or NBA teams have come, and no hint of any on the way.
I wouldn't read too much into this based on an arena project on it's own.
That looks a long way out from Atlanta itself. Even the Braces suburban ballpark is within the beltway.
If you're not going to bother to read what the Atlanta residents here have to say on the matter, then idk why you post here other than to voice your displeasure. Go check out the Winnipeg threads to get some insight as to why QC is not an easy layup either.Because it it didn't work twice already in the heart of Atlanta, let's try it again a third time but this time, let's put it far outside the city in the suburbs where there's a long list of other successful times of something similar succeeding. When will this whole idea of assuming that just because there's a big city, that automatically makes it so that there will be enough people to make it profitable.
Completely agree and that was actually part of the Thrashers history. When A$G put the team up for sale, a number of potential local ownership groups came forward. But then they saw the cost of leasing the arena and quickly backed away. Team owners really do need to own the arena as well.If arena owners really want to make money on their facility they should really avoid having an NHL franchise as a tenant.
Here in Calgary, the revenue demands are insane. A former arena tenant told me he had to shut down because he wasn't making any money - even off concessions for his own events. He told me that everything went to the Flames so he stopped wasting his time and moved on.
If the NHL wants a team in Atlanta they should build their own arena there and the same goes for places like Calgary here.
Economists have been saying this as well and cities like Calgary have been ignoring them. There's no way taxpayer funded arenas can recover the city's investment. Even if there's development around it the tax revenue simply doesn't add up - especially when developers start demanding their share of the tax breaks. I think the privately owned arena in Kansas City even said no to the NHL.Completely agree and that was actually part of the Thrashers history. When A$G put the team up for sale, a number of potential local ownership groups came forward. But then they saw the cost of leasing the arena and quickly backed away. Team owners really do need to own the arena as well.
Completely agree and that was actually part of the Thrashers history. When A$G put the team up for sale, a number of potential local ownership groups came forward. But then they saw the cost of leasing the arena and quickly backed away. Team owners really do need to own the arena as well.
But I agree. It either needs to be the team owning the building or at worst, a publicly owned building where the arena operations contract is held by the ownership of the team (that's the situation in Nashville).
The only way a publicly funded arena works is if the city receives revenue from the facility to recover its investment and here in Calgary that has never been a part of the negotiations. Public articles in news outlets like the Globe and Mail indicate that there is no chance we recover our investment given the demands of the NHL tenant. In earlier versions of the arena deal we would only recover half of our investment after 30 years or so. Pennies on the dollar.
So yeah - if the NHL wants an arena in a given city they should pay for it themselves.
It's also about revenue from the arena and that is, again, the main problem with the negotiations here in Calgary. It should also be a cautionary tale to people building arenas in places like Atlanta. If you want to make money you simply cannot have an NHL franchise as a tenant - at least not until they drastically reduce their insane demands.Well look... I've always been of the opinion that simply looking at public investment vs tax revenue doesn't cover the entire topic of value to a city. In a lot of ways, it misses the entire point of public investment. I'm not saying that it shouldn't even be brought up, but it's only one part of the discussion and not the end of it.
What I was saying was more from the point of view of financial viability of the team.
It's also about revenue from the arena and that is, again, the main problem with the negotiations here in Calgary. It should also be a cautionary tale to people building arenas in places like Atlanta. If you want to make money you simply cannot have an NHL franchise as a tenant - at least not until they drastically reduce their insane demands.
It's funny how you make an accusation of me reading or not reading something when all you did was basically look at my username and make inaccurate assumptions on my feelings towards a potential QC return.If you're not going to bother to read what the Atlanta residents here have to say on the matter, then idk why you post here other than to voice your displeasure. Go check out the Winnipeg threads to get some insight as to why QC is not an easy layup either.
Yes it is. Our tax dollars should go towards public services and not into the pockets of NHL owners. Here in Calgary we have higher priorities (even though our council and management have yet to realize it) than making billionaires even richer. If we can't recover our investment from an arena project we shouldn't participate. The people of Atlanta should be telling their leaders the same thing. If the NHL wants an arena they should build it and pay taxes on it themselves.Lump regular revenue into the conversation, my point is the same. Making money isn't the sole purpose of public investment. I would argue it's not even the most important purpose.
Yes it is. Our tax dollars should go towards public services and not into the pockets of NHL owners. Here in Calgary we have higher priorities (even though our council and management have yet to realize it) than making billionaires even richer. If we can't recover our investment from an arena project we shouldn't participate. The people of Atlanta should be telling their leaders the same thing. If the NHL wants an arena they should build it and pay taxes on it themselves.