Hockey Canada and TSN have brainwashed an entire country into believing it is your civid duty to support your love for the country via this tournament, no matter the cost. Looks like people are (hopefully) realizing they've been duped into taking an tournament featuring teenagers as serious as they have.
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Rob
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Even though it is overpriced it is still the same as an NHL game.
I would rather my money go to Hockey Canada than the NHL.
I would rather my money go to Hockey Canada than the NHL.
hototogisu
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I don't know why people tout that like it's a badge of honor, as if the more money you fork over to Hockey Canada the bigger the patriot you are. More people should object to Hockey Canada bringing its traveling circus to town and bleeding the rubes dry in the name of country and sport.
(And this is coming from one of those rubes who was bled dry in 2015)
ChiefWiggum
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It really is sad. This year's WJC has been a dud with the lack of stars and lack of support from the fans. The pictures from the stands are embarrassing but would you really pay 3 digits to watch a quarterfinal game that Canada will almost surely win? Hockey Canada just wants to make themselves richer and this tournament is probably TSN's only remaining source of decent income outside of a scatter Senators game so they have really rammed this down our throats.
Lately Team Canada has been worse, the games have been worse, ticket prices are increasing and the fan support reflects it.
Lately Team Canada has been worse, the games have been worse, ticket prices are increasing and the fan support reflects it.
habsrule4eva3089
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Replace Team Canada with any organization in the nhl or professional sport.
When will the time come when people say, wait, why are we forking over this much to watch this type of product?
It's an interesting study.
When will this infatuation with professional sport end with society and people just fed up with increasing prices.
Look at Football leagues in Europe and some of their methods with ticket prices that work, even the English Premier League has a fan's union at least. Nothing like that here.
Shut your mouth, pay the money and watch the nhl, who's product experience is hundreds of times worse then the world juniors, because that's what is suppose to be satisfaction?
Right.
ChiefWiggum
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nhlfan9191
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I've lived in Saskatoon my whole life but when the games were here, it was an absolute party and huge honour. We don't get pro hockey here so we appreciate it that much more. Just because TO and Montreal have bigger arena's should be nothing. This tourney means nothing to them other then waiting until their NHL teams are back. Toronto has done a good job supporting. Montreal is embarrassing. And this is coming from a die hard Habs fan.
I don't like the recent practice of sharing the tournament between cities, although it's obviously been done successfully in other years .
When one city hosts, you own the tournament and the one city and its fans are responsible for it being a success or not. If you're hosting preliminary games but you know all the medal games are going to be hosted elsewhere, there's not the same attachment with the tournament. You can follow teams in both pools and have the opportunity to see elimination games, from start to finish.
It was obviously a mistake the way they had Montreal and Toronto host back to back. If you charge outrageous prices, you have to do it on the basis of it being a special event, but having it in both cities twice in a three year span does not make it a special event anymore. On top of that, fans in the GTA and Golden Horseshoe will be expected to pony up next year in Buffalo; hopefully they will price their tickets more reasonably (and maybe people didn't purchase tickets this year knowing that next year it will be easier to afford).
When one city hosts, you own the tournament and the one city and its fans are responsible for it being a success or not. If you're hosting preliminary games but you know all the medal games are going to be hosted elsewhere, there's not the same attachment with the tournament. You can follow teams in both pools and have the opportunity to see elimination games, from start to finish.
It was obviously a mistake the way they had Montreal and Toronto host back to back. If you charge outrageous prices, you have to do it on the basis of it being a special event, but having it in both cities twice in a three year span does not make it a special event anymore. On top of that, fans in the GTA and Golden Horseshoe will be expected to pony up next year in Buffalo; hopefully they will price their tickets more reasonably (and maybe people didn't purchase tickets this year knowing that next year it will be easier to afford).
Hackett
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I wonder what that price point is, and how it compares to today's prices.
Like I said before, I think Vancouver pulled off a pretty successful tournament and if that's the case, it should provide a good benchmark for the larger Canadian cities (Montreal and Toronto) to follow from a marketing perspective, with pricing probably being the most important element.
I know that the attendance numbers are low for canadian standard, but do people realize that anywhere in Europe these would be a huge success? Does that anyone take into account, or is this just a bashing thread?
Just so you know, the average attendance per-game in the last 10 years: (the capacity of the arenas in brackets, bolded are tournaments in North America)
2008 - CZE - (10,194 and 7,500) - 3,328 per game.
2009 - CAN - (9,862 and 19,153) - 14,622 per game (Kazakhstan-Germany had over 18 thousand people in the crowd)
2010 - CAN - (7,000 and 14,705) - 9,740 per game (a relegation game between Austria and Latvia was watched by over 7 thousand people)
2011 - USA - (2,100 and 18,690) - 10,635 per game (all 21 games in Buffalo with 12.7 thousand or higher in each game)
2012 - CAN - (16,839 and 19,289) - 14,688 per game (19 out of 31 games with above 14,000, the least attended game of the tournament had almost 7,000 (Latvia-Denmark, relegation round)
2013 - RUS - (4,043 and 8,250) - 3,554 per game
2014 - SWE - (5,800 and 12,500) - 4,654 per game
2015 - CAN - (19,746 and 21,287) - 12,212 per game
2016 - FIN - (8,200 and 13,349) - 7,174 per game
2017 - CAN (19,746 and 21,287) - so far 8,004 per game
Just so you know, the average attendance per-game in the last 10 years: (the capacity of the arenas in brackets, bolded are tournaments in North America)
2008 - CZE - (10,194 and 7,500) - 3,328 per game.
2009 - CAN - (9,862 and 19,153) - 14,622 per game (Kazakhstan-Germany had over 18 thousand people in the crowd)
2010 - CAN - (7,000 and 14,705) - 9,740 per game (a relegation game between Austria and Latvia was watched by over 7 thousand people)
2011 - USA - (2,100 and 18,690) - 10,635 per game (all 21 games in Buffalo with 12.7 thousand or higher in each game)
2012 - CAN - (16,839 and 19,289) - 14,688 per game (19 out of 31 games with above 14,000, the least attended game of the tournament had almost 7,000 (Latvia-Denmark, relegation round)
2013 - RUS - (4,043 and 8,250) - 3,554 per game
2014 - SWE - (5,800 and 12,500) - 4,654 per game
2015 - CAN - (19,746 and 21,287) - 12,212 per game
2016 - FIN - (8,200 and 13,349) - 7,174 per game
2017 - CAN (19,746 and 21,287) - so far 8,004 per game
Marky1999
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European cities are simply smaller in population and have smaller arenas. Finland last filled their arena to a bigger extent compared to Canada this year. Either way, I think you're missing the problem. Your own study shows it quite clearly. Attendance in Canada has gone from nearly 15000, down to 12000, down to 8000 during the last three tournaments in only five years.
It's really not about attendance itself, it's about trends. If the attendance numbers had been 4000 and 6000 in the previous two tournaments, then 8000 this year could be considered successfull. But the trend here is clearly a steep negative. Whoever is marketing this thing would be immediately get fired if they ignored this trend, didn't work towards turning it around, and just said "meh, we're still better than Europe".
BLONG7
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When in Canada, they should not be using NHL rinks, but rinks with 8000-10000 seats, like Halifax, etc
Having 12000 attend is a big crowd, but not in a 20,000 seat arena....
The prices of these games this year, are probably out to lunch also, so......
Having 12000 attend is a big crowd, but not in a 20,000 seat arena....
The prices of these games this year, are probably out to lunch also, so......
In reality there was no more than 4000/21000 last night in Montreal. What the "fake" numbers mean is that scalpers and companies probably bought quite a lot of tickets but they just can't give them away, people just won't go...
The real average so far in Montreal is probably 3000 per game. Absolutely embarassing on the idiots at Hockey Canada, the kids don't even get paid.
The real average so far in Montreal is probably 3000 per game. Absolutely embarassing on the idiots at Hockey Canada, the kids don't even get paid.
I believe I was at that game. What Ottawa did well was that they required people wanting to go to Team Canada games purchase packages (same as recent WJCs) but they also had a ticket exchange system that was very well publicized and very easy to use. People who purchased tickets for the Canada games sold off these other games and you could pick up tickets really cheaply. Hockey parents bought up tickets in huge quantities. Relegation round games even had pretty good attendance.
It also helped that it was the first major hockey-related special event in the city since the 1999 Memorial Cup. It wasn't like there was another World Junior two years previous.
PensBandwagonerNo272*
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bobber
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They should have held these games in junior hockey franchise rinks. This is where the real fans of the World Juniors live.
OilerPensfan97
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In 2010, the first relegation game between Slovakia and Austria had even more people, 8634. I was at that one, back when I still lived in S'toon. Great crowd; they were all chanting "Let's go Austria" throughout the game.
habsrule4eva3089
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This is also the step Hockey has taken in this country. The way the nhl is, everyday people don't attend and it's mostly all corporations in the lower bowls.
Now this tournament, you have a chance to first and foremost promote Hockey in this country, kid's are not playing Hockey anymore, do you people not realize how every year the game of Hockey is losing interest in participation rates.
Instead of using this as a vehicle to promote the game and help the game grow, you do this ****?
Playing Minor Hockey is only for the rich and elitist now in this country, just look at most the players of this team and their upbringing. How many Tyson Jost's are being lost to Hockey in this country?
The nhl has already turned their product into that also, and now this tournament through Hockey Canada also.
Really helping Hockey grow in this country.
Good Job, and they want to have 1 million kids playing the game by 2021 or 2022 through Bauer, you think that'll happen? lol
This tournament more then any tournament is of importance because you have an opportunity every year to show yourself to the next generation of youth, but when you do this, I mean, common, wake up.
Now this tournament, you have a chance to first and foremost promote Hockey in this country, kid's are not playing Hockey anymore, do you people not realize how every year the game of Hockey is losing interest in participation rates.
Instead of using this as a vehicle to promote the game and help the game grow, you do this ****?
Playing Minor Hockey is only for the rich and elitist now in this country, just look at most the players of this team and their upbringing. How many Tyson Jost's are being lost to Hockey in this country?
The nhl has already turned their product into that also, and now this tournament through Hockey Canada also.
Really helping Hockey grow in this country.
Good Job, and they want to have 1 million kids playing the game by 2021 or 2022 through Bauer, you think that'll happen? lol
This tournament more then any tournament is of importance because you have an opportunity every year to show yourself to the next generation of youth, but when you do this, I mean, common, wake up.
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The Impact had 61 004 for their last playoff game that's more than all the games combined for this joke tournament in Montreal. Yesterday for the Canada game there was probably around 2000 people at the arena in reality. They couldn't even give tickets away.
That's a lot of excuses. Where Hockey Canada went wrong was thinking that Montreal would want to atone for the embarrassing numbers the last time around.
Play the games where people care about hockey.
And let's not forget the major Canadian survey that was done a couple of years ago on why young kids don't play hockey like before. The cost of playing it came in 4th in the reasons. If I remember correctly the 3rd one was It's to violent the 2nd one was it's to much time consuming and the 1st one which I remember perfectly was "IT'S NOT FUN".
jeangauthier
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Just walk in front of the Bell Centre before this game and you'll get free tickets easily. You might even get paid to get in there.
OilerPensfan97
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_World_Junior_Ice_Hockey_Championships
The last time Halifax hosted the event. Almost every game was a sell out or near sell out at Scotiabank Centre, INCLUDING relegation games.
After 2019, it's time to find a non-nhl host.
