Poll: Will Faber be better than Dumba was last season?
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TaLoN
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I think by the end of the season he will be better assuming Dean accepts some mistakes will happen which won't end up cutting into his ice time.
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Large assumption given how he's handled guys like Fiala, Rossi and Addison in the past.
Will Faber be better in 23-24 than Dumba was in 22-23? No idea.
Overall, though, i am hoping that Faber will be a better Dman than Dumba. Ultimately, I think of Dumba as a mild disappointment. He did some good things for the club, but inability to learn from his mistakes, together with his injuries, stunted a promising career.
Overall, though, i am hoping that Faber will be a better Dman than Dumba. Ultimately, I think of Dumba as a mild disappointment. He did some good things for the club, but inability to learn from his mistakes, together with his injuries, stunted a promising career.
BagHead
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I'm a big believer in Faber, but a full NHL season is something he's never contended with. He may start out as good or better than Dumba, but I'm not sure he finishes so. He may, but I wouldn't put money on it. Plus, in spite of the low offense, Dumba was pretty good much of the year.
Circulartheory
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Also my concern. I'm hoping though that this year will be a pivot toward focusing more on the future instead of just this season. At some point they have to recognize that finding out whether guys like Rossi and Faber can figure it out if given the opportunity is more important than finishing 3rd in the central... right?
I feel like Dumba is underestimated here , I also think that Faber us going to shock the world with literal top pair skill. It’s a weird thing to consider
Man... I'm honestly surprised at the poll results. I'm super high on Faber, but I feel like we are going to be missing dumba the next few seasons.
TaLoN
Red 5 standing by
I think those that recognize what Dumba brings - even last year - yet are believers in Faber as a player also, don't see an option they can vote for in this poll.
I can't say "No" as I believe in Faber, yet I sure can't say yes either, as that's still a pretty high bar to set for a first year pro.
(I remember all those yelling a year ago that Addison would replace Dumba seamlessly this past season - Addison clearly wasn't in the same realm when it came to quality of play that Dumba was capable of.
If there was a "no fricking clue" type option, I'd be voting for that.
So, this is going to be a bit weird to put. But let's say people expect Faber to be at the same level as Dumba. The answer to the poll would be "no" because of the wording of the question. It's "will he be better" than Dumba was last season. If he's the same level, it's not better. The question also only has to do with this season and not future seasons. So people can still believe in Faber, but not expect him to play at the level of Dumba right away. Does that make sense?
From my perspective, I think Faber is capable of playing mistake free hockey on the 2nd pair. His decision making looks to be better than Dumba's was for us. Skating appeared to be similar level. Dumba's offensive tools are better. Dumba's physicality is better in terms of hits. The decision making is what swayed me towards Faber being better than Dumba for next season. That's been Dumba's downfall since he was drafted.
The "no fricking clue" option is the "just observing" option for those that don't or can't form an opinion on the subject for whatever reason. The poll was designed to gauge people's opinions on what they think will happen. Wouldn't be much of a poll if everyone voted "don't know" because nobody actually knows how the future will play out.
Dumba was the top pair (5v5) RD last year, even when he was dragging around Goli's dead weight for ~20 games.
Dumba's 5v5 on ice was at 1453:51 ToI (179 mins higher the Spurgeon), 18:24 ToI/g (2.09 mins more than Spurgeon), 1.86 gf/60, and 2.02 ga/60.
Brodin/Dumba had 821:11 ToI together, 2.27 gf/60, 1.61 ga/60, 58.49 gf%. 2.46xgf, 2.46xga 50% xgf% (for a direct comparison of a potential Brodin/Faber pair)
Dumba without Brodin was 632:40 ToI, 1.23 gf/60, 2.56 ga/60, 2.3 xgf, 2.59 xga, 46.96% xgf%
No. I don't think Faber will be better than Dumba's team leading 5v5 ToI, or that a Brodin/Faber pairing will be better than a Brodin/Dumba pairing. I think Faber can match Dumba for special team play (no PP time and 2nd PK unit). I do think Faber's number will look better than Dumba's due to him getting a much more sheltered role.
I'm also not counting on a Brodin/Faber pairing happening out of camp. This is a coaching staff that preaches balance up and down the lineup. I think they'll try Brodin/Spurgeon (again) and Middleton/Addison. Then it will be Middleton/Spurgeon (again) and Brodin/Addison. Faber will be sheltered with Merrill (or Goli) on the 3rd pairing until Addison falls out of favor (again).
Arturia Pendragon
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Spurgeon
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Based on last season, I don’t think there’s a chance that they put Addison on the 2nd pairing.
Based on last season, Rossi shouldn't be anywhere near the roster. Last season wasn't meaningless by any means, but this year's camp is more important.
I'm not even sure Faber makes the team out of camp due to the cap (a la Tuch's 1st season in Vegas). A $2m pressbox player (Goli) is a luxury MN might not be able to afford.
To me, Addison screams 3rd pairing/PP qb. Nothing wrong with that. I want him to be a bit better at defending on the rush, and more assertive handling the puck 5v5. Those seems to be things that he can achieve With his toolset. I don’t expect him to be a beast in board battles or clearing the crease, but I am sure he can get a bit stronger, and a little bit better in those areas.
IN years to come I can see one of Hunt, ROR, Peart of Middleton being a good partner for him.
Spurgeon
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Yeah I meant more so how Addison was handled by Dean in the 2nd half of the season. I thought he was perfectly capable in his 3rd pairing and PP QB role (like @57special mentions). I understood he had defensive mishaps, but I didn’t think that necessitated how frequently he was scratched to end the season.
I just don’t see Evason giving him anything other than a 3rd pairing + PP role.
DANOZ28
Registered User
im not sure if im caught up in the hype but i think faber can be as good as brodin defensively & as good as dumba offensively so i guess my answer is YES that would make him better overall.
GordieGallant
Registered User
Dumba is a RHD in his prime and the best offer he could get as a UFA was 1 YR under $4M from Arizona. He’s a bit underrated around the league but I think he’s being overrated here
TaLoN
Red 5 standing by
His defense is underrated. He doesn't get the better contract because his offense took such a dive.
Dickie Dunn
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I said yes mostly because I didn't think Dumba was all that good anymore. I also think that Faber can handle PP duties. He'll have a few rough moments in his own end but so did Dumba.
