Prospect Info: Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread: 2023-2024 Edition

[The Old Master]

I expect him not to make the team and almost would rather he doesn't. (Unless he plays so well they say you get to play till Guentzel is back in the top 6)
Doesn't burn a year under 9 games.

I want him to have another full season before we start talking about the NHL.

I think this is probably the best way to go.

 

[Jacob]

I’d like to see Poulin reclaim his game in the AHL before I wanna see him up. Maybe at least 15-25 games to be certain. We have the depth to be patient.

I’d give Yager some top 6 looks in preseason but he should go back.

 

[Freeptop]

I expect him not to make the team and almost would rather he doesn't. (Unless he plays so well they say you get to play till Guentzel is back in the top 6)
Doesn't burn a year under 9 games.

I want him to have another full season before we start talking about the NHL.

Oh, I agree. I just meant that he'd be facing NHL and/or AHL level players in at least one pre-season game, hopefully.

 

[The GM]

We should play rookies and fringe NHL’ers for most of October to see what we have. Everyone knows games in October don’t matter, you don’t make the playoffs in October.

 

[The Old Master]

We should play rookies and fringe NHL’ers for most of October to see what we have. Everyone knows games in October don’t matter, you don’t make the playoffs in October.

our coach doesn't want to play them in the preseason (where they need to be tried) good luck

 

[deakka]

Found this about Matthew Soto:

Ranked as low as 156th by McKeen's Hockey and as high as 62nd by Recruit Scouting, Soto could be selected as soon as the second round.

But he went undrafted. And i think the rule still is you can sign undrafted players to ELC up until a certain time? (Maybe when season starts?)
And if unsigned he will re-enter the draft as an overage next draft.

Ofc he went undrafted for a reason. But by all accounts he was ranked as an almost lock to be drafted.

So might be worth an ELC?
At least I find ut interesting he sticks around for the main camp.

 

[Freeptop]

I'd have to say that it's not a great sign for them that none of Frasca, Glover or Svejkovsky are on the main training camp roster. Usually any player on an NHL contract at least gets to start training camp in Pittsburgh, even if some of them never play in any games, but I guess Dubas has a different philosophy on that matter.

 

[The Old Master]

I'd have to say that it's not a great sign for them that none of Frasca, Glover or Svejkovsky are on the main training camp roster. Usually any player on an NHL contract at least gets to start training camp in Pittsburgh, even if some of them never play in any games, but I guess Dubas has a different philosophy on that matter.

normal rules change when so many teams are in cap hell.

 

[deakka]

normal rules change when so many teams are in cap hell.

No cap in training camp tho?

 

[The Old Master]

No cap in training camp tho?

true but that doesn't last forever. players may want more if they make the team and some might be willing to take less if they don't

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I'd have to say that it's not a great sign for them that none of Frasca, Glover or Svejkovsky are on the main training camp roster. Usually any player on an NHL contract at least gets to start training camp in Pittsburgh, even if some of them never play in any games, but I guess Dubas has a different philosophy on that matter.

Only so much ice time and they're guaranteed to spend the season in WBS, or perhaps even Wheeling.

The other young guys are fighting for an NHL spot (Zohorna, Pitlick, etc.) or at least fighting to be early on the recall list (Poulin, Puustinen), are new to the organization (Yager, Hamuilik, Koppanen, etc) or are on PTOs.

Basically they're looking at guys who are either going to possibly play games in the NHL or determining whether they want to offer contracts to guys on PTOs.

 

[WickedWrister]

Bro we are not declaring Yager ready to go after 2 goals at a prospect tourney jfc

Yeah, they have him listed as 6'0" 170 lbs on the training camp roster. 165 at the combine. You can just tell by looking at him that he's not filled out yet, dude's still only 18. He needs to put on at least 10-15lbs of muscle.

I like the idea in theory of him getting his cup of coffee in a top 6 role while Jake is sidelined for a few weeks, even if the long term play is for him to play center. Skill wise, he's in the mix for best short term option. But if I thought his lack of size and physicality was noticeable at the prospect tourney, imagine Tom Wilson running him in game 2 of the season .

 

[Gurglesons]

Only so much ice time and they're guaranteed to spend the season in WBS, or perhaps even Wheeling.

The other young guys are fighting for an NHL spot (Zohorna, Pitlick, etc.) or at least fighting to be early on the recall list (Poulin, Puustinen), are new to the organization (Yager, Hamuilik, Koppanen, etc) or are on PTOs.

Basically they're looking at guys who are either going to possibly play games in the NHL or determining whether they want to offer contracts to guys on PTOs.

26 and 27 is young now?

 

[DesertedPenguin]

26 and 27 is young now?

Meant more in NHL experience than age,

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Yeah, they have him listed as 6'0" 170 lbs on the training camp roster. 165 at the combine. You can just tell by looking at him that he's not filled out yet, dude's still only 18. He needs to put on at least 10-15lbs of muscle.

I like the idea in theory of him getting his cup of coffee in a top 6 role while Jake is sidelined for a few weeks, even if the long term play is for him to play center. Skill wise, he's in the mix for best short term option. But if I thought his lack of size and physicality was noticeable at the prospect tourney, imagine Tom Wilson running him in game 2 of the season .

Couldn’t disagree more. Let him play in camp and then send him back ASAP unless he is objectively better than current NHL options. I highly doubt he’ll outplay any of Johnsson, Hino, etc in camp.

Really prefer when they let the kid go back and get touches in their junior camp and let them set themselves up for s successful year of junior. A good example is Marner in TOR, who then scored 60 points the very next year.

 

[WickedWrister]

Couldn’t disagree more. Let him play in camp and then send him back ASAP unless he is objectively better than current NHL options. I highly doubt he’ll outplay any of Johnsson, Hino, etc in camp.

Really prefer when they let the kid go back and get touches in their junior camp and let them set themselves up for s successful year of junior. A good example is Marner in TOR, who then scored 60 points the very next year.

I'm not suggesting he should make the team out of camp. Literally just said he's too small and will get hurt lol.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yager wasn't even that good in juniors last year yet he'd somehow survive in the NHL?

I'd much rather give Puustinen a shot with Crosby than Yager. Puustinen has shown talent in the pros while he's due for an opportunity.

 

[The Old Master]

Yager wasn't even that good in juniors last year yet he'd somehow survive in the NHL?

I'd much rather give Puustinen a shot with Crosby than Yager. Puustinen has shown talent in the pros while he's due for an opportunity.

Yes and no. I agree about puust, but i think you might be overlooking some with yager. on the surface he didn't put up the goals most thought he would. Because its human nature to work on what you do best, but as an Ex-coach it's not what you want to see. you want him to work on where he's weak. And he did just that. It cost him in goal stats (in his draft year) but improved his helping his wingers. also, it changed the way he normally played to try and be a better center. and that is something every coach will love.

 

[Jacob]

Yager seemed to have a good season? Just not what you’d expect for a guy to jump straight to the NHL.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah, most of the talk around Yager is that his drop in production (goals-wise) came at the cost of him trying to play a more well-rounded game and not be a purely offensive guy. /shrug

We'll see. Again, he's probably a long shot to ever become anything at the NHL level, but he's got genuine talent. Just depends on how he develops.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm sure Yager will get preseason games. If he tears it up, then entertain the idea of keeping him up. If he doesn't. Send him back.

 

[Ryder71]

I'm sure Yager will get preseason games. If he tears it up, then entertain the idea of keeping him up. If he doesn't. Send him back.

I'm glad ypu asked me. I don't see him making the team, however and it's a small sample size he did impress me as or best forward at rookie camp. For a young 18 year old he accorded himself well and was visible throughout. If he takes a few steps forward this coming season in junior maybe he gets a serious look next year or more likely the year after. But I am encouraged.

Yager seemed to have a good season? Just not what you’d expect for a guy to jump straight to the NHL.

He's seemingly a good all around player, so his offensive stats might not be what others are. But if he's good in all three zones and takes some steps forward offensively I think we should all be pleased.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yeah, most of the talk around Yager is that his drop in production (goals-wise) came at the cost of him trying to play a more well-rounded game and not be a purely offensive guy. /shrug

We'll see. Again, he's probably a long shot to ever become anything at the NHL level, but he's got genuine talent. Just depends on how he develops.

Why is he a long shot to become an NHL’r?

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm glad ypu asked me. I don't see him making the team, however and it's a small sample size he did impress me as or best forward at rookie camp. For a young 18 year old he accorded himself well and was visible throughout. IOf he takes a few steps forward this coming season in junior maybe he gets a serious look next year or more likely the year after. But I am encouraged.


He's seemingly a good all around player, so his offensive stats might not be what others are. But if he's good in all three zones and takes some steps forward offensively I think we should all be pleased.

Given our system, I don't think this is surprising or unexpected.

 

[Jacob]

Yeah, most of the talk around Yager is that his drop in production (goals-wise) came at the cost of him trying to play a more well-rounded game and not be a purely offensive guy. /shrug

We'll see. Again, he's probably a long shot to ever become anything at the NHL level, but he's got genuine talent. Just depends on how he develops.

If you just look at his draft year as is and ignore the unusual drop in total goals he had a season befitting a 14th overall pick. It’s not like he forgot how to score or lost velocity on his shot, it’s still there, he just decided to concentrate on some other things that maybe kept him further from the net or got his wingers more involved. Next step is combining it all and being more of a triple threat.