Proposal: Pitt/Mont

[ole ole]

That's fine but don't get your panties in bunch when another fan base states that its not what they are looking for in trades because of the current lifecycle of their team. Pittsburgh should not be trading for 30ish year old players without picks/prospects being attached. Pittsburgh is headed in the wrong direction for doing chair deck trades.

No Panties in a bunch.

Hab should not be trading a 30 yr old for a 37 yr old who also has a longer/and bigger caphit. That's plainly ridiculous.

 

[Miller Time]

Letang’s contract length kills this deal for the Habs

The cap rising and the contract make up of our defense makes it manageable imo.

Letang fits what we need next 2 years, by year 3, cap level means 6M isn't as much of the overall %...

 

[Miller Time]

Lol

Aside from the obvious duration and age factors, another aspect fans often ignore but plays an important part is real dollars.

6.6M$ to an owner looking at no playoff revenue snd empty seats during a rebuild is not insignificant

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Aside from the obvious duration and age factors, another aspect fans often ignore but plays an important part is real dollars.

6.6M$ to an owner looking at no playoff revenue snd empty seats during a rebuild is not insignificant

Letang makes 6.1 mil per and has been a #1 defenseman for years, right up to last year.

Anderson makes 5.5 mil per and has been a shit 3rd liner for years.

19 games for either doesn't change that, unless one has the memory of a goldfish.

 

[ole ole]

Letang makes 6.1 mil per and has been a #1 defenseman for years, right up to last year.

Anderson makes 5.5 mil per and has been a shit 3rd liner for years.

19 games for either doesn't change that, unless one has the memory of a goldfish.

Good keep him because i don't want Letang near our roster.

 

[Baksfamous112]

The cap rising and the contract make up of our defense makes it manageable imo.

Letang fits what we need next 2 years, by year 3, cap level means 6M isn't as much of the overall %...

No, it does not. If Letang had this year and next left on his contract? Sure, that could do it. 3 years after this one? Yeah, it’s just not going to happen.

Letang makes 6.1 mil per and has been a #1 defenseman for years, right up to last year.

Anderson makes 5.5 mil per and has been a shit 3rd liner for years.

19 games for either doesn't change that, unless one has the memory of a goldfish.

Should a team pay for past performance or for future performance? Because he’s 37 going 38 this year and his contract run until he’s 41-42.

 

[ole ole]

No, it does not. If Letang had this year and next left on his contract? Sure, that could do it. 3 years after this one? Yeah, it’s just not going to happen.


Should a team pay for past performance or for future performance? Because he’s 37 going 38 this year and his contract run until he’s 41-42.

Habs should have no interest in a declining 37 yr old player period.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Good keep him because i don't want Letang near our roster.

Gladly haha

Should a team pay for past performance or for future performance? Because he’s 37 going 38 this year and his contract run until he’s 41-42.

How about performance, period?

What exactly has Anderson done at any point in their respective careers to make anyone think his value is equal to Letang's? Or will be going forward?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Gladly haha


How about performance, period?

What exactly has Anderson done at any point in their respective careers to make anyone think his value is equal to Letang's? Or will be going forward?

Because Anderson is 30 and only has 2 years after this one. He’s manageable on our cap and is still a useful, physical player. He’s also not currently falling off a cliff.

Letang on the other hand, has another 3 years after this one. He’s turning 38 in April and is clearly on a steep decline. I don’t know which « performance » you’re referring to but a 37 years old offensive D with PP1 minutes who has 6 pts in 19 games and -11 already isn’t what I would call someone who is performing right now.

 

[Miller Time]

Letang makes 6.1 mil per and has been a #1 defenseman for years, right up to last year.

Yes, in the past he was a very good #1, not elite, but just below that group.

Today, he's 37, on pace for a career worst season.

He'll be 38, 39, and 40 at the start of his last 3 years in this contract.

Last year is meaningless in assessing his current trade value.

Anderson makes 5.5 mil per and has been a shit 3rd liner for years.

Nah ... He's been a mediocre bottom six player mostly, but this year his level of play and output has actually improved a bit.

Habs approach is definitely not a great fit for him overall, but he seems to be settling in.

His contract is bad, but it's reasonable to expect his level to stay pretty steady next two years.

I wouldn't touch him past 33 except as a 4th liner and paid as such, but that's not material to his current value.

19 games for either doesn't change that, unless one has the memory of a goldfish.

Your petty comment aside, this post suggests you, like the pens management that assembled this roster, mistakenly over estimate past performance in assessing current state.

1/4 of a season isn't what changed, age is.

For someone so caught in the past, one would think you understand that precedent is few players maintain performance levels past their mid 30's, and that decline is steep rather than linear. Surprised how confusing this appears to be for you.

No, it does not. If Letang had this year and next left on his contract? Sure, that could do it. 3 years after this one? Yeah, it’s just not going to happen.

I disagree. Year 3 is still well within the window where the Habs will have a large volume of rister players on ELC or first RFA deals. And you continue to ignore the buy out or retained trade options should that cap room be viewed as necessary elsewhere.

 

[ole ole]

Gladly haha


How about performance, period?

What exactly has Anderson done at any point in their respective careers to make anyone think his value is equal to Letang's? Or will be going forward?

As of today. Younger Cheaper Shorter team. That is what is important to a rebuilding team. Not a declining 37 yr old with 3 ys remaining on his contract. Like i said keep him.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Because Anderson is 30 and only has 2 years after this one. He’s manageable on our cap and is still a useful, physical player. He’s also not currently falling off a cliff.

Letang on the other hand, has another 3 years after this one. He’s turning 38 in April and is clearly on a steep decline. I don’t know which « performance » you’re referring to but a 37 years old offensive D with PP1 minutes who has 6 pts in 19 games and -11 already isn’t what I would call someone who is performing right now.

What part of "19 games" did you miss?

Outside of a single 19 game sample size Anderson has been a white elephant - a defensive liability making 5.5 mil per to score ~30 points a year as a forward - who's never been able to sniff Letang's jockstrap, a #1 defenseman who's previous "down" year saw him at 25 minutes a night and score 50+ points.

Yes, in the past he was a very good #1, not elite, but just below that group.

Today, he's 37, on pace for a career worst season.

He'll be 38, 39, and 40 at the start of his last 3 years in this contract.

Last year is meaningless in assessing his current trade value.


Nah ... He's been a mediocre bottom six player mostly, but this year his level of play and output has actually improved a bit.

Habs approach is definitely not a great fit for him overall, but he seems to be settling in.

His contract is bad, but it's reasonable to expect his level to stay pretty steady next two years.

I wouldn't touch him past 33 except as a 4th liner and paid as such, but that's not material to his current value.


Your petty comment aside, this post suggests you, like the pens management that assembled this roster, mistakenly over estimate past performance in assessing current state.

1/4 of a season isn't what changed, age is.

For someone so caught in the past, one would think you understand that precedent is few players maintain performance levels past their mid 30's, and that decline is steep rather than linear. Surprised how confusing this appears to be for you.

Your entire argument is based on 19 games.

 

[Miller Time]

What part of "19 games" did you miss?

None. Re-read as you must have missed my direct reference to it.

Your post suggests you still don't understand that age, and $ are more than just a number

Outside of a single 19 game sample size Anderson has been a white elephant - a defensive liability making 5.5 mil per to score ~30 points a year as a forward - who's never been able to sniff Letang's jockstrap, a #1 defenseman who's previous "down" year saw him at 25 minutes a night and score 50+ points.

Perhaps you misunderstand the difference between performance and performance value. No one suggested Anderson is good value at that cap hit. Again, perhaps re-read the post as this was clearly addressed so I don't understand your confusion

It's really is quite simple.

Your entire argument is based on 19 games.

Nope. But yours appears to be as you keep referencing it... Mostly incorrectly

 

[HabsAddict]

While Letang can contribute as a RHD, he will also block Mailioux for a few years.

This only works if the Habs get high value for Matheson, replace him with Letang and rebalance Guhle to the left side. Then Mailman has a path to learn behind Letang.

Hutson and Letang will be DEADLY combo. FAR better the Matheson/Guhle.

Then Guhle goes left partnered with Mailman.

This only works for Montreal on a multi move, multi team trade OR Matheson for Letang and a second. Why the second? Because it will be easier and more valuable for the Pens. Right now, the Pens get a plate of poutine and a 3rd if Letang ONLY wants to go home and play for the Habs.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Letang is signed for like 3 more years? No thanks, that's terrible.

 

[LPHabsFan]

Letang is not the mentor that Habs fans think he is. He is one of the country club boys that Pens fans hate and have criticized for years. He is not responsible defensively and regularly, consistently, almost every game will make 1 - 5 absolutely boneheaded plays that puts his team in bad positions. He wasn't the right type of player we needed when he was a UFA and rumored to want to come to MTL then, and nothing since has indicated otherwise.

I hope will every ounce of my soul that the team stays away from him.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Letang is not the mentor that Habs fans think he is. He is one of the country club boys that Pens fans hate and have criticized for years. He is not responsible defensively and regularly, consistently, almost every game will make 1 - 5 absolutely boneheaded plays that puts his team in bad positions. He wasn't the right type of player we needed when he was a UFA and rumored to want to come to MTL then, and nothing since has indicated otherwise.

I hope will every ounce of my soul that the team stays away from him.

That’s why he is available for Anderson. Not a big cost.

 

[HabsAddict]

Letang is not the mentor that Habs fans think he is. He is one of the country club boys that Pens fans hate and have criticized for years. He is not responsible defensively and regularly, consistently, almost every game will make 1 - 5 absolutely boneheaded plays that puts his team in bad positions. He wasn't the right type of player we needed when he was a UFA and rumored to want to come to MTL then, and nothing since has indicated otherwise.

I hope will every ounce of my soul that the team stays away from him.

I trust Hughes to make the smartest move. And Dubas the dumest.

We are not in the BargainBin era anymore.

 

[Gurglesons]

Letang is not the mentor that Habs fans think he is. He is one of the country club boys that Pens fans hate and have criticized for years. He is not responsible defensively and regularly, consistently, almost every game will make 1 - 5 absolutely boneheaded plays that puts his team in bad positions. He wasn't the right type of player we needed when he was a UFA and rumored to want to come to MTL then, and nothing since has indicated otherwise.

I hope will every ounce of my soul that the team stays away from him.

I don't think that is true at all.

Letang is arguably the hardest working player on the Penguins. He'd be a great player for Montreal to bring in to get people set on the right path.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

None. Re-read as you must have missed my direct reference to it.

Your post suggests you still don't understand that age, and $ are more than just a number



Perhaps you misunderstand the difference between performance and performance value. No one suggested Anderson is good value at that cap hit. Again, perhaps re-read the post as this was clearly addressed so I don't understand your confusion

It's really is quite simple.


Nope. But yours appears to be as you keep referencing it... Mostly incorrectly

The difference in money between Anderson and Letang is .6 mil per. The difference in their performance outside of less than 1/4 of one season is considerably greater than that, by any standard.

Letang and Anderson's respective ages have not stopped Letang from being an exponentially better player through his mid 30s than Anderson was through his late 20s.

But its different now, apparently, because of the same sample size that suggests Dylan Strome is now more productive than McDavid.

 

[Lockin17]

I would totally make that trade.
The RD would look like this, shit load of experience.

Hutson-Letang
Guhle-Matheson
Wifi-Savard

 

[Miller Time]

The difference in money between Anderson and Letang is .6 mil per.

No, it isn't.

The difference in their performance outside of less than 1/4 of one season is considerably greater than that, by any standard.

Yes and?

Letang and Anderson's respective ages have not stopoed Letang from being an exponentially better player through his mid 30s than Anderson was through his late 20s.

Yes and?

 

[HuGo Sham]

Letang for Anderson? Who says no?

0 interest from montreal.. That contract is not good for a rebuilding team.
Deal makes no sense for pens either

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

No, it isn't.


Yes and?

Yes and?

How do you calculate the difference between 5.5 and 6.1 mil per? Is it different than the rest of the world?

Yes and...you don't have a cohesive argument.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I would totally make that trade.
The RD would look like this, shit load of experience.

Hutson-Letang
Guhle-Matheson
Wifi-Savard

what a surprise