Proposal: Pitt - Car

[Unsustainable]

To Pitt: Ethan Bear
To Car: Kasperi Kapanen

Rumors neither team looking to retain the pending RFAs. Would give each team a look at the players that could make an impact.

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[Jacob]

The Pens already have plenty of 6/7 d-men, especially righties. Kap either goes for futures or an immediate need (like a #2 goalie or bottom 6 forward since he’s not gonna fetch a top pairing D or #2 C).

 

[Empoleon8771]

I like Bear but he seems like more of what the Penguins already have.

If Ruhwedel wasn't signed for next year, I'd be much more interested in this.

 

[spockBokk]

Sign me up as a Canes fan. I’d add a prospect as well, Bokk? Puistola? Sellgren?

Don’t really see the appeal for the Pens…

 

[Lempo]

Kapanen's final year base salary is $800k. I'd think PIT will qualify him for the CBA-required $840k.

 

[SEALBound]

Don't think Bear is a need. Would rather gamble on Kapanen coming back stronger or sending him out for another RFA wing.

Would do Bear for Jeff Carter though.

 

[Gurglesons]

Makes no sense for PIT. Bear is nothing we need.

Kapanen for Necas is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[spockBokk]

Kapanen for Necas is the only thing that makes sense.

For the Pens maybe, that’s a very easy pass for CAR

 

[Gurglesons]

For the Pens maybe, that’s a very easy pass for CAR

Neat. So is Bear for Kapanen.

 

[spockBokk]

Neat. So is Bear for Kapanen.

And I said as much just a few posts above.

Thanks for playing.

 

[jmelm]

Kapanen's final year base salary is $800k. I'd think PIT will qualify him for the CBA-required $840k.

Penguins will not qualify Kapanen because they do not want to get stuck with his arb award.

So they will either agree to terms with him on an affordable 1 year deal, or trade him for whatever they can get -- or failing either of those, they'll let him walk as a UFA.

Neat. So is Bear for Kapanen.

Dude, I hope we get a decent return for Kap but you need to be prepared for the fact he may not be worth more than a 3rd or 4th rounder, and that he won't be given a qualifying offer IF the Pens actually want to keep him and he's willing to sign for cheap.

Bear for Kapanen is WAYYYYYY closer to fair market value than Kapanen for Necas.

 

[Lempo]

Penguins will not qualify Kapanen because they do not want to get stuck with his arb award.

So they will either agree to terms with him on an affordable 1 year deal, or trade him for whatever they can get -- or failing either of those, they'll let him walk as a UFA.

I just told a guy on other subforum that this is a good point. It's still a good point.

I'm not sure if a team is too scared of a arbitration award, though, because it's supposed to be the fair market price for the player's services. You should be able to trade the player for a bucket full of pucks, which still is better than nothing in this economy.

 

[Gurglesons]

Penguins will not qualify Kapanen because they do not want to get stuck with his arb award.

So they will either agree to terms with him on an affordable 1 year deal, or trade him for whatever they can get -- or failing either of those, they'll let him walk as a UFA.




Dude, I hope we get a decent return for Kap but you need to be prepared for the fact he may not be worth more than a 3rd or 4th rounder, and that he won't be given a qualifying offer IF the Pens actually want to keep him and he's willing to sign for cheap.

Bear for Kapanen is WAYYYYYY closer to fair market value than Kapanen for Necas.

Bear hasn’t even proven he is an NHL defender. Kapanen for Necas obviously wouldn’t be one for one.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You can pull off Kapanen's RFA rights for like a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if a few teams were interested.

Kapanen's qualifying offer is low, but he's also arbitration eligible. He's not at risk of signing his QO, but he can still get a $3m+ RFA award in arbitration.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

A recent comparable that could be used in an arbitration hearing for Kapanen is Copp. 1 RFA year left before UFA. The preceding 3 seasons has seen Kapanen score at a ~42 per 82 rate. Copp was at ~40 per 82. Copp signed a 1 year deal at $3.64 mil for 21-22.

 

[jmelm]

Bear hasn’t even proven he is an NHL defender. Kapanen for Necas obviously wouldn’t be one for one.

Right, it's not close to one for one so if it isn't Kapanen + a 1st round pick, they can get MUCH better offers out there from teams who would love to have Necas.

Kapanen has almost zero value. He's an RFA who's a year away from UFA, and teams know the Penguins aren't very interested in keeping him -- it's an open secret so they have zero leverage.

Necas is 3 years younger, so there's MUCH more flexibility to either sign him to a bridge deal and still control his rights, or sign him longer term. Also, he's a natural C (even if he's been playing mostly W in CAR). So Necas value is MUCH higher than Kapanen.

Re. Bear, you don't have to convince me anything about him, he's of absolutely no interest to me, and I don't see where he would fit on the Pens. I wasn't the one who brought up his name (the OP did). I'm just saying that, objectively, Bear's value is similar to Kapanen -- in that either he's not qualified and ends up as a UFA, or his trade value is in the realm of a 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

[Gurglesons]

Right, it's not close to one for one so if it isn't Kapanen + a 1st round pick, they can get MUCH better offers out there from teams who would love to have Necas.

Kapanen has almost zero value. He's an RFA who's a year away from UFA, and teams know the Penguins aren't very interested in keeping him -- it's an open secret so they have zero leverage.

Necas is 3 years younger, so there's MUCH more flexibility to either sign him to a bridge deal and still control his rights, or sign him longer term. Also, he's a natural C (even if he's been playing mostly W in CAR). So Necas value is MUCH higher than Kapanen.

Re. Bear, you don't have to convince me anything about him, he's of absolutely no interest to me, and I don't see where he would fit on the Pens. I wasn't the one who brought up his name (the OP did). I'm just saying that, objectively, Bear's value is similar to Kapanen -- in that either he's not qualified and ends up as a UFA, or his trade value is in the realm of a 3rd or 4th round pick.

You think every young player is worth a 1st lol

It Necas is worth a 1st Kapanen is worth a 2nd

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kapanen for Necas obviously wouldn’t be one for one.

Neat back pedal

 

[Gurglesons]

Neat back pedal

No back pedal.

 

[OCPenguin]

To Pitt: Ethan Bear
To Car: Kasperi Kapanen

Rumors neither team looking to retain the pending RFAs. Would give each team a look at the players that could make an impact.

We have several Ethan Bears already. I'd personally give POJ a chance more than acquiring him.

 

[jmelm]

You think every young player is worth a 1st lol

It Necas is worth a 1st Kapanen is worth a 2nd

No. I think young players who have proven to be legit NHL players with several years of team control and meaningful amounts of untapped potential are worth a back half of the first round 1st rounder, since the % of those players actually making it are approximately 50%.

You, however, like to paint many young players or prospects with the same brush, rather than evaluating each of them on an individual basis as actual GMs & scouts do. This is why you think the gap between Necas and Kapanen is not that signficant, for example.

I think there are several GMs who would give up a 1st round pick for Martin Necas. I think there are precisely zero GMs that would give up a 1st rounder for Kapanen, and I'm very doubtful that any of them would give up a 2nd rounder.

 

[McJedi]

Neat. So is Bear for Kapanen.

Agree. I think y’all could do better than Bear for Kapanen. This trade is a value L for Pitt.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

No. I think young players who have proven to be legit NHL players with several years of team control and meaningful amounts of untapped potential are worth a back half of the first round 1st rounder, since the % of those players actually making it are approximately 50%.

You, however, like to paint many young players or prospects with the same brush, rather than evaluating each of them on an individual basis as actual GMs & scouts do. This is why you think the gap between Necas and Kapanen is not that signficant, for example.

I think there are several GMs who would give up a 1st round pick for Martin Necas. I think there are precisely zero GMs that would give up a 1st rounder for Kapanen, and I'm very doubtful that any of them would give up a 2nd rounder.

Pens 1st and Kap for Necas and 2nd?

 

[McJedi]

Pens 1st and Kap for Necas and 2nd?

That’s a bad deal for Carolina. They’d pass easily.

 

[Gurglesons]

Pens 1st and Kap for Necas and 2nd?

I honestly have no interest in Necas. He is Kapanen.

No. I think young players who have proven to be legit NHL players with several years of team control and meaningful amounts of untapped potential are worth a back half of the first round 1st rounder, since the % of those players actually making it are approximately 50%.

You, however, like to paint many young players or prospects with the same brush, rather than evaluating each of them on an individual basis as actual GMs & scouts do. This is why you think the gap between Necas and Kapanen is not that signficant, for example.

I think there are several GMs who would give up a 1st round pick for Martin Necas. I think there are precisely zero GMs that would give up a 1st rounder for Kapanen, and I'm very doubtful that any of them would give up a 2nd rounder.

I doubt anyone is giving up a 1st for Necas. Well, maybe Rutherford.

I agree that no GMs are giving up a 1st and likely not a 2nd for Kapanen.