Confirmed Trade: [PIT/WPG] Rutger McGroarty for Brayden Yager

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Dipsy Doodle

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That’s kind of his issue right now, no? He hasn’t shown a 200’ game yet, because he’s having trouble with the pace of preseason games. At least nowhere near well enough, to be able to earn a Top 9 spot and continue to mature offensively, while playing in the NHL. There’s a big difference between the pace in these games, with regular season games as well.

Likely why they’ve seemingly already made the decision, he’s gonna need time in the AHL. Might be significant time too. We’ll know rather soon on that.

If he could keep up with the pace and had the strength, he’d be kept in the NHL, put on the 3rd line, and his natural offensive ability would come out, as he matured this year.. All while already contributing… It’s where the Pens need young guys to solidify that type of role. Then hoping they become Top 6 players.

That was how it was sold to fans. That they traded a prospect like Yager for a player who was much closer to contributing now.. during Sid’s Swan Song.

That came from Dubas, down to the media, and down to the fans. I think a lot of Pittsburgh fans somehow turned that speculation into him walking right into their Top 6, but fans do that when they’re excited about a kid.

That was never going to happen. So unless he has some sort of core injury or mental block effecting his play, someone was peddling bad information in Pittsburgh. That or Dubas overruled his scouts. I’d tend to go with the latter, as everything I could get my hands on suggested he needed time too. Maybe less time than Yager, but he was not plug and play ready.

He’s obviously not ready yet. His feet have always been an issue, and whether that’s effecting his pace issues or he can’t process the pace, only time will tell on that. I didn’t expect him be weak on pucks, and get pushed around like an 18-19 year old kid though. That’s a concern.

He’s now practicing with the second grouping of players too. Which usually means he’s not even in the equation for a roster spot. It’s probably why they haven’t put him on the ice with Sid or in the Top 6 either. If he’s having trouble with pace playing with Cody Glass, why embarrass him, out there with Sid?

Bottom line is, it’s fair to say everyone expected much more than we’re seeing.

That’s a very, very fair comment.

The entire reason many gave for the trade, was they felt McGroarty was NHL ready and Yager was 1-3 years away, as he still needs to physically mature. That he would help them now, compared to waiting for Yager.

That’s exactly how most people sold it….

It’s what I kept being told, so I bought into it too. Not that he could come right in, but I bought into that being the reason behind the trade, giving up a kid like Yager. Which seemed very counter productive on the surface. Especially after the year Yager had.

Now even more so, after watching both kids play in some games against NHL talent.

That’s the big miss here, and it’s already been a miss. Make no mistake, because that was the overwhelming reason given. That he was ready and Yager wasn’t.

Now, that all said, he’s a very talented kid who now knows what he needs to do, to play a regular shift in the NHL.

He needs to go down to the AHL and commit himself to getting stronger and playing that 200’ game. It’ll be his fastest route to playing a regular NHL shift.

The one thing they better be very careful of though? Don’t force him. You can ruin a talented kid because he’s not what you thought he was, as a General Manager. Dubas has a tendency to see these kids as pieces to a puzzle and not human beings. So they need to be careful.
I wouldn't read too much into McGroarty's readiness to contribute this year based on camp, groupings, or a start in the AHL.

Anyone who remembers how Guentzel was handled when he started his pro career has a good idea how the org typically breaks in forward prospects, no matter how promising.
 

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This was something that Penguins fans talked about a lot, it was confirmed that his first year does not count for a full season. He wasn’t granted exceptional status in that year and therefore could not accrue a full season, him playing in as many games as he did was just because of how late COVID pushed that season.
Same thing in Minnesota with Riley Heidt.
 

Heldig

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Also want to put out there that maybe the dude didn't want to continue to live in the middle of nowhere in Winnipeg.

That shit plays a part as well
I think this is it more than anything else.

He saw a way to force his way to a more desirable market.

Chevy did very well in the trade so at least the team didn't get ****** because of it.
 

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Yager will spend the season in the WHL.
McGroarty will spend half the season in the AHL and then the rest in the NHL

McGroarty is a year older and much further in his development. Yager's biggest problem is that he can't play in the AHL and his junior team will be devoid of talent. This season is going to be a waste for Yager unless Moosejaw trades him.
Of course they will trade him. Thats how junior hockey works. The top teams load up at the trade deadline and usually get a haul of very good prospects.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into McGroarty's readiness to contribute this year based on camp, groupings, or a start in the AHL.

Anyone who remembers how Guentzel was handled when he started his pro career has a good idea how the org typically breaks in forward prospects, no matter how promising.

I think it's more about how Sullivan uses the Penguins bottom-6 than anything. The Penguins top-6 gets all of the offensive minutes and opportunities, so the bottom-6 has to pick up the slack defensively and eat all of those tough minutes. What's better for McGroarty's development, spending half a year as a top line/top PP guy in the AHL or getting 25% offensive zone starts in a buried 3rd line centered by Lars Eller?

He'll go directly to the Penguins top-6 when he's called up, which will demote O'Connor to the bottom-6 where he's more suited. But since McGroarty isn't top-6 ready right now, he's better off playing top-6 minutes in the AHL for half a year and then going to the top-6 due to how heavy of defensive usage the Penguins bottom-6 gets.
 

Dipsy Doodle

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I think it's more about how Sullivan uses the Penguins bottom-6 than anything. The Penguins top-6 gets all of the offensive minutes and opportunities, so the bottom-6 has to pick up the slack defensively and eat all of those tough minutes. What's better for McGroarty's development, spending half a year as a top line/top PP guy in the AHL or getting 25% offensive zone starts in a buried 3rd line centered by Lars Eller?

He'll go directly to the Penguins top-6 when he's called up, which will demote O'Connor to the bottom-6 where he's more suited. But since McGroarty isn't top-6 ready right now, he's better off playing top-6 minutes in the AHL for half a year and then going to the top-6 due to how heavy of defensive usage the Penguins bottom-6 gets.
I wouldn't even project that much as far as how he'd be used once called up - lots to be determined by performance and chemistry, and DOC seems to have an inside track for the top line. Maybe he runs with it.

But the one indisputable fact is that no Pens forward prospect, even one as skilled and productive as Guentzel, has walked onto the main roster straight out of college/junior in the Sullivan era.
 

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