Confirmed Trade: [PIT/NSH] Philip Tomasino for 2027 4th round pick

[SomeDude]

wow, I can't believe Pen fans are complaining about this deal. Give him to us (isles)....gladly give you a 4th.

I don’t think any one is upset about the trade. We just know how it’s going to end with our jack*** coach.

 

[wmupreds]

Doesn't sound like Pens fans are optimistic about their coach either lol but if Tomasino gets ice time with decent linemates and is allowed to actually play like a scoring winger I think he'll be a solid NHLer.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Showed flashes as rookie but the Preds shouldn't have rushed him to NHL

Only 23 though so worth gamble of 4th round pick IMO from Pens here

Maybe change of scenery works out for him

 

[Ryder71]

Dubas seems to be doing everything possible to avoid driving his team into a rebuild.

You're wrong. Moves like this don't appreciably help this team much at all. It's a low risk deal for PIT.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Doesn't sound like Pens fans are optimistic about their coach either lol but if Tomasino gets ice time with decent linemates and is allowed to actually play like a scoring winger I think he'll be a solid NHLer.

In a system that is a disaster defensively for a player that isn't good at digging in the corners or defensively, this should end well. Sullivan is an absolute f***ing moron of a coach.

Philly Tomatoes is going to quit and sell used laptops on Craigslist after Sullivan is done with him.

 

[Duffy13]

I'm a big fan of these types of deals, don't get me wrong.... Just very pessimistic that the coaching staff will even experiment with young players in important roles.

I said earlier that if this season isn't the season to give extended looks for young players in the system... Then it's time to move them out for picks as they will never get an opportunity here. Poulin, Puustinen, Tomasino, Puljujarvi, Glass should all be getting some time in the top 6 or in roles running their own line if a C, and if it doesn't work, great... They had a chance, if it works, why wasn't it tried earlier?

 

[Armourboy]

In a system that is a disaster defensively for a player that isn't good at digging in the corners or defensively, this should end well. Sullivan is an absolute f***ing moron of a coach.

Philly Tomatoes is going to quit and sell used laptops on Craigslist after Sullivan is done with him.

Honestly I feel bad for the guy because he keeps getting coaches who don't want to play young guys to start with and if you don't run around like a chicken with your head cut off hitting everything that moves then you aren't doing it right.

I felt Fabbro would do well in Columbus, just seemed like a decent situation for him, sadly for Tomasino I think he is just going to get more of the same.

I think on the right team and given a chance to actually play some steady minutes with some talent he would probably come around and do well. Sadly for him he has always been stuck on the 4th line or with that type of player.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Honestly I feel bad for the guy because he keeps getting coaches who don't want to play young guys to start with and if you don't run around like a chicken with your head cut off hitting everything that moves then you aren't doing it right.

I felt Fabbro would do well in Columbus, just seemed like a decent situation for him, sadly for Tomasino I think he is just going to get more of the same.

I think on the right team and given a chance to actually play some steady minutes with some talent he would probably come around and do well. Sadly for him he has always been stuck on the 4th line or with that type of player.

Yeah, the difference with Tomasino and Tolvanen to me is that by the end of his time with the Preds, Tolvanen was actually playing a pretty respectable physical and back-checking game. The Preds didn't seem to recognize this or acknowledge it in any way. But nevertheless, Tolvanen had adapted to the point where he absolutely could fill a bottom-6 role instead of needing to be a top-6 sniper only.

Tomasino is a little bit different, because he really hasn't embraced any of the change that management has tried to force on him. His game hasn't changed one bit. He wants to be a streaky offensive generator, and he has the skills to do that. He could be a 25/25 kind of supporting top-6 offensive player anywhere if you just parked him in that role and didn't mind that he wasn't throwing hits, killing penalties, or defending leads late in the game. He was ready to fill that role at 20 when he first stepped in. He is still ready to do it today. But it isn't easy to find the team or coach in the NHL who is really looking for that.

In Nashville, our coaches would rather play a 10/10 kind of veteran AHL tweener, or chase old declining UFAs to fill that lineup spot. I think it's the frustration that the Preds aren't finding any better results with their choices than they would just keeping and utilizing a young (albeit slightly imperfect) player. Tomasino isn't going to set the world on fire, but he'd be as good or maybe a bit better than the options we're picking instead. He hasn't done things to make any of us real fans of his. It's more that we aren't enamored with the alternatives we've been given, and frustrated with the ongoing waste of 1st round picks.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

In Nashville, our coaches would rather play a 10/10 kind of veteran AHL tweener, or chase old declining UFAs to fill that lineup spot. I think it's the frustration that the Preds aren't finding any better results with their choices than they would just keeping and utilizing a young (albeit slightly imperfect) player.

Doesn't sound at all like the Pens under Sullivan.

 

[JPT]

Lmfao a 2027 4th rounder. Honestly, Trotz should have just gone after an actual bag of pucks.

 

[JPT]

I absolutely hate the direction Nashville is going. Not giving young players legitimate shots and stacking the team with old players.

It's a trauma response for Trotz after all of those years of being spanked by an old ass Detroit club

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

Worst team in the NHL giving away young former first round picks for nothing while keeping old tweeners - things are going great!

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Worst team in the NHL giving away young former first round picks for nothing while keeping old tweeners - things are going great!

Our tweeners aren't actually playing that terrible (outside that initial stretch--I think all of them have multiple ES goals, which can't be said of our top 6). Our top 6 has been awful.

 

[Bard Marchand]

Preds fans what's it like being on Mr Bones Trotz's Wild Ride?

 

[Armourboy]

Preds fans what's it like being on Mr Bones Trotz's Wild Ride?

So far it ain't been that great. His coaching career was definitely better than his GM career so far.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Honestly I feel bad for the guy because he keeps getting coaches who don't want to play young guys to start with and if you don't run around like a chicken with your head cut off hitting everything that moves then you aren't doing it right.

I felt Fabbro would do well in Columbus, just seemed like a decent situation for him, sadly for Tomasino I think he is just going to get more of the same.

I think on the right team and given a chance to actually play some steady minutes with some talent he would probably come around and do well. Sadly for him he has always been stuck on the 4th line or with that type of player.

Sullivan doesn't even play the young players on the Pens. Unless it's 4th line usage or if they're lucky, 3rd line. So Tomasino might get lucky and tried in the top 6 but chances are they put Beauvillier back to the left wing and drop Rust back to Malkin which means tomasino would be on the 3rd line RW or 4th line. Puljujarvi have been great and he's continuously shit on by Sullivan.

 

[periferal]

Lots of people freaking out that Tomasino was *only* dealt for a 4th. So do those same people think that Trotz only called Dubas and just took the best he would offer?

Or...Did Trotz make Tomasino available to the entire league and a 4th was the best he could get for him?

 

[PAZ]

Lots of people freaking out that Tomasino was *only* dealt for a 4th. So do those same people think that Trotz only called Dubas and just took the best he would offer?

Or...Did Trotz make Tomasino available to the entire league and a 4th was the best he could get for him?

He's only worth a 4th now. He would've been worth more during the offseason when teams have time to figure out their roster and slot him into their lineup.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Doesn't sound at all like the Pens under Sullivan.

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Preds actually play more youth than the Pens. Tomasino wasn't better than L'Heureux or Evangelista, thems the breaks. But Sullivan wouldn't even play those two if he had them either.

Hell Parssinen, Evangelista, and L'Heureux wouldn't even be in the line up all at once if Sullivan was the coach. They'd be rotating on the 4th line or healthy scratched for weeks.

I'd be shocked if Sullivan and his smooth brain start him above the third line. I see Sully splitting Rust And Raks and dropping Rust back down or Rakell back down with Geno and likely bumping Beauvillier back up. Tomasino would likely just bump Puljujarvi down to the 4th line which would be idiotic and he'd be with Doc on the third line.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He's only worth a 4th now. He would've been worth more during the offseason when teams have time to figure out their roster and slot him into their lineup.

Across two coaches and two Gms he hasn't been able to crack the line up as a regular and has been noted as having work ethic issues. Some can say well Hynes didn't like youth or some shit, but then you look over his time and even Tomasinos comments where he quotes Hynes in a positive way after he's already been gone and the players that did thrive under him and it's not always the coach.

As a Pens fan, when you see a long history of pattern with shitting on youth, that's different.

The handling of Puljujarvi, O'Connor, Poulin, Ponomarev, Puustinen, etc - I'd be shocked if Tomasino succeeds. If he does it's a f***ing miracle there's someone that can thrive in the absolute garbage system and even worse utilization of a roster under Sullivan. He'd be a f***ing miracle. I think the teams that could have needed him as a cheap add were also a lot in the west and I don't think Trotz wanted to deal him to say the Avs when they had a ton of injuries, or the Oilers and their need of cap friendly adds.

I see the skill he has and he's compelling but a lot of blokes will watch his highlight reel and only see the good parts of his game and make up their mind about him, there's also the other things that they can ignore but a player that needs guidance going to a team where the coach has adjusted games of a Norris winner and others into shit, it doesn't give us a lot of confidence. It's why some would rather keep the pick even if it was in 2027. Because this coach f***s up a shit ton more than he fixes.

 

[Armourboy]

Preds actually play more youth than the Pens. Tomasino wasn't better than L'Heureux or Evangelista, thems the breaks. But Sullivan wouldn't even play those two if he had them either.

Hell Parssinen, Evangelista, and L'Heureux wouldn't even be in the line up all at once if Sullivan was the coach. They'd be rotating on the 4th line or healthy scratched for weeks.

I'd be shocked if Sullivan and his smooth brain start him above the third line. I see Sully splitting Rust And Raks and dropping Rust back down or Rakell back down with Geno and likely bumping Beauvillier back up. Tomasino would likely just bump Puljujarvi down to the 4th line which would be idiotic and he'd be with Doc on the third line.

Parssinen and Evangelista have both been heavily scratched, the only reason Evangelista has the games he does was due to injuries and Brunette having no other choice. Even when they do get in the line up those guys on a good night see 10 minutes of ice time. So while it looks like we play more youth it's an illusion really. Svechkov since coming up has seen like 6 minutes a game.

Just cause guys are in the lineup doesn't mean they are playing.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Parssinen and Evangelista have both been heavily scratched, the only reason Evangelista has the games he does was due to injuries and Brunette having no other choice. Even when they do get in the line up those guys on a good night see 10 minutes of ice time. So while it looks like we play more youth it's an illusion really. Svechkov since coming up has seen like 6 minutes a game.

Just cause guys are in the lineup doesn't mean they are playing.

Ok so he played 80 last season. Your gripes are mostly for this season. Where Trotz adds two big contracts to the forwards and f***s up the rebuild.

The issue seems more Trotz related. Because the coach that played Evangelista 80 games last year and averaged 13:57 to the 12:25 this year, is having to throw a ton more ice time to Marchessault and Stamkos.

 

[Armourboy]

Across two coaches and two Gms he hasn't been able to crack the line up as a regular and has been noted as having work ethic issues. Some can say well Hynes didn't like youth or some shit, but then you look over his time and even Tomasinos comments where he quotes Hynes in a positive way after he's already been gone and the players that did thrive under him and it's not always the coach.

His work ethic issues was one offseason where he had played most of his first season and relaxed in the offseason thinking he had earned a guaranteed roster spot and came into camp and looked awful. It's a mistake lots of young guys make. Hynes rewarded him by telling the public that the only reason he played him the prior year was he didn't have a choice, they didn't have anyone else better. It more or less screwed his confidence for a while.

Generally speaking young guys trying to get back on a roster aren't going to publicly talk bad about any coach. The few exceptions I've seen are guys who are no longer with that organization.

 

[Armourboy]

Ok so he played 80 last season. Your gripes are mostly for this season. Where Trotz adds two big contracts to the forwards and f***s up the rebuild.

The issue seems more Trotz related. Because the coach that played Evangelista 80 games last year and averaged 13:57 to the 12:25 this year, is having to throw a ton more ice time to Marchessault and Stamkos.

Evangelista last season has been the only exception and alot of that was because there wasn't really anyone else. Brunette is the one giving Stamkos the large minutes he hasn't deserved 5 on 5. He's had more minutes than Forsberg many nights.

Trotz has publicly stated that everything about the line up and who plays is left up to Brunette, which means he's basically moved out two guys Brunette refused to play in Fabbro and Tomasino.

Right now Fabbro is making Brunette and Trotz both look like idiots, we will see how Tomasino turns out.

Also shouldn't confuse us giving Brunette alot of flak for not giving Trotz blame. Alot of us think he should be fired too.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Evangelista last season has been the only exception and alot of that was because there wasn't really anyone else. Brunette is the one giving Stamkos the large minutes he hasn't deserved 5 on 5. He's had more minutes than Forsberg many nights.

Trotz has publicly stated that everything about the line up and who plays is left up to Brunette, which means he's basically moved out two guys Brunette refused to play in Fabbro and Tomasino.

Right now Fabbro is making Brunette and Trotz both look like idiots, we will see how Tomasino turns out.

Also shouldn't confuse us giving Brunette alot of flak for not giving Trotz blame. Alot of us think he should be fired too.

When a GM makes 2 massive investments on offense like Stamkos and Marchessault, he can't afford to have his coach play them less, because they signed there for a reason, they're established top 6 players that have a ton of pedigree and were told what their usage would be so to blame the coach on that is a little absurd, ridiculous actually.

Stamkos and Marchessault are essentially playing similar minutes to what they were getting in Tampa and VGK. The issue is, the Preds aren't replacing 2 players that played those minutes last year. They lost who? Sherwood, Zucker, and Glass? Evanglista lost minutes on the powerplay which makes sense when you add Stamkos and Marchessault, but he's playing 30seconds less ES than last year, L'Heureux is a rookie so that is whatever (there's no TOI from last year for him to be mad about a drop this year).

All 3 averaged 13mins and some change or under. But you add 2 players that play 17-18+ on average? Yeah that's going to eat up a lot. Some of the players did see an increase in ice time, the younger players, but that's the nature of adding 2 big pieces like that. The team was never in need of those 2 and the GM f***ed it. Is Brunette the problem? Maybe a little, but what he did last season for a rebuild is something Trotz should have looked at as a good sign of the future, instead he went and blew his cap space to land 2 big names like they were suddenly contenders and he was some genius in his own mind - he isn't.

Your gripes with Fabbro are 100% legit though, that was some insane f*** up by Trotz. To keep Luke Schenn over Dante Fabbro? Lol. They were already lacking in RHD, to just waive one like that is ridiculous.