Waived: [PIT] G Tristian Jarry waived by the Penguins

[Jacob]

Matt Murray: "it's a team effort."
HFChud43190: "see! he said himself he didn't contribute to those Cups!"

 

[Hasbro]

Dubas gave $27 million each to Jarry and Graves on the same day right after he was hired by the Pens.

That’s $52 million in salary to a guy that is now on waivers and another guy that is now a perennial healthy scratch on one of the worst D corps in the league.

Why does/did anyone ever think Kyle Dubas was qualified to run an NHL team?

He has spreadsheets.

 

[Merc29]

I mean, St. Louis took Kapanen off us, we could get lucky

 

[Hasbro]

Is Dubas the worst goalie evaluator of all time?

Bobby Clarke.

 

[Richard]

So question, haven't followed the CBA since '05 ---- if Jarry is in the minors he doesn't count against the cap right?

 

[Wolfpuck]

It would be pretty funny if a GM let the intrusive thoughts win.

 

[Jacob]

So question, haven't followed the CBA since '05 ---- if Jarry is in the minors he doesn't count against the cap right?

Most of it does. Like 1.1 million or so of it doesn't.

 

[Richard]

Most of it does. Like 1.1 million or so of it doesn't.

Rather leave him there, right ? because it extends like two more years if bought out

 

[Jacob]

Rather leave him there, right ? because it extends like two more years if bought out

Probably. Unless they wanna pull a Guerin and buy him out just to send a message to him.

They could just try to make his life miserable and send him to Wheeling and hope he doesn't report, then they can void the contract.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

So question, haven't followed the CBA since '05 ---- if Jarry is in the minors he doesn't count against the cap right?

Most of it does. Like 1.1 million or so of it doesn't.

If buried in the minors you save whatever the league minimum is plus $375k. I think league minimum is $775k so you're saving $1.15m with him in the minors.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

There wasn't much else at the time when Jarry was being signed. Blomqvist was a few years out. I do blame Dubas for the term. I don't know why he didn't give him a 2 year term instead.

I can see us either...
1) trading Jarry for someone else's problem at the same space/term (not a goalie though).
2) trading Jarry + pick, only to recover that pick by selling off the saved cap space (like the Hayes deal).
3) burying him in the minors and eating the $4.225 ($5.375M- $1.15M) cap hit.
4) buying him out, though that may be the least attractive option considering term and salary.

#3 leads to a whole set of alternate paths... trading Ned, using Jarry as a backup until Murashov is ready to be in the NHL.

I'd rather take a chance on another teams problem than keeping Jarry in any capacity.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Sooooo many GMs have been screwed over by this recently. Which is why I never wanted my Oil to sign Campbell. Especially coming off TWO years of Mike Smith providing Well Above League average goaltending for a measly 2.3M per. But incessant noise from media to go "fix" goaltending made us not realize how good we had it with Smith even though he was like 37 at the time.

Let's go down the List:
Blake -> Pettersson
Yzerman -> Husso
Holland -> Campbell
Francis -> Grubauer
Sakic -> Georgiev
Sweeney -> Swayman
Dubas -> Jarry
Kekkalainen -> Merzlikens

It's because the nature of how the goaltender position operates is naturally volatile. Sign a Number 1 Defenseman who isn't living up to expectations? Make him your number 3 defenseman. Sign a number 3 defenseman who isn't performing, make him your number 5 defenseman. Not ideal, but you can still move them down lineup easy enough and get some contribution.

Sign a number 1 goaltender to a normal number 1 goaltender contract and he's not performing? To the bench.

Oh, and if a prospect from your system on defense is playing well, likely a whole bunch of options for whom you send down or take out the lineup before the $5.5 million defenseman's spot is on the line. With a goalie? Well you have your starter you signed, and your backup you signed, likely neither of whom is Waiver-Exempt. So what do you do when the guy you're paying like a Number 1 Goalie isn't the best performing goalie that you have right now? You're SOL with a high-priced backup. the 1A/1B thing is fine for regular season, but if you're a Playoff team then come postseason time, you're carrying $5 million of dead cap essentially.

End result is you're naturally going to get a lot of Goaltenders paid like Number 1s sitting on the bench and giving no value. You could I suppose just *never* pay a goaltender and always just sign a Backup and then Waiver Wire pickup if there's no prospect and willingly say we'll invest zero cap into the position. That's often not a great plan for heading into a season for a team with aspirations but could work out in the instances of a prospect that you can reliably plug into net. Since the pads shrunk though, the "throw any guy from your system and it might work out" has been less common of a success plan. 5 out of the last 8 last playoffs had a really good goaltender. If your defense is 2022-23 Knights level good, you could probably get away with going cheap on goaltending, if it's not, it's much more of a crapshoot.

Ultimately, it's reductivist as heck to say, but you just gotta make sure you sign/pay the right guy.