Value of: Philipp Grubauer

[johnsic]

Seeing as there are a lot of teams in need of a goalie... What is the value of Grubauer? He is a talented and good goalie on a cheap contract and he is RFA.

Caps could trade him because he has value and they will loose him for free in the expansion draft for sure.

Caps have one bad contract (Brooks Orpik) and could use Grubauer as a tool to get rid off Orpik. Value coming back could be something like a veteran goalie and a veteran defenseman.

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[hockeykicker]

Then who would be the caps backup?

 

[trick9]

His value for the Capitals might be home ice for most of the Playoffs as he's among the top backups in the league. Go back slightly over a year when Capitals had Justin Peters as a backup and Holtby had to play 73 regular season games so that the Capitals would even make the Playoffs. I would rather keep him unless someone sees him as an potential starting goalie and is willing to overpay.

That opinion might change if someone takes Orpik back too, while not sending back much salary. I doubt that's going to happen.

 

[johnsic]

Then who would be the caps backup?

The trade partner would send a goalie back. I am thinking something like Orpik and Grubauer to Calgary for Chad Johnson and Deryk Engelland.

 

[trick9]

The trade partner would send a goalie back. I am thinking something like Orpik and Grubauer to Calgary for Chad Johnson and Deryk Engelland.

No thanks. Engelland is even worse than Orpik, and he's on a bad contract aswell. Not worth it.

 

[Flamesfan62]

The trade partner would send a goalie back. I am thinking something like Orpik and Grubauer to Calgary for Chad Johnson and Deryk Engelland.

I'm a Flames fan and that would be a bad trade for Calgary. Engelland and Orpik are about equally as bad, while Johnson is the better goalie right now. I would rather have Johnson as Calgary won't keep him long term anyways as Gillies will more then likely be making the jump next year.

 

[airbus220]

Vegas won't draft Grubauer. No need to waste 1 of 10 RFA draft spots on a goalie.

Most teams have unproven guys like Grubauer. Not worth much, maybe a 5th rd pick.

 

[Joel Ward]

No thanks. Engelland is even worse than Orpik, and he's on a bad contract aswell. Not worth it.

I don't know, I think that might be worth it long term given that Engelland's contract is up at the end of the season. That $5.5M for the next 3 seasons (including this one) is likely the difference between keeping all 4 of Alzner, Kuz, Carlson, Oshie, and losing one of them.

 

[Zoidberg Jesus]

Vegas won't draft Grubauer. No need to waste 1 of 10 RFA draft spots on a goalie.

Most teams have unproven guys like Grubauer. Not worth much, maybe a 5th rd pick.

Player A after 25yo season: 34 GP, .923 sv%, 1.99 GAA

Player B after 24yo season: 62 GP, .912 sv%, 2.36 GAA

Player C after 24yo season: 43 GP, .922 sv%, 2.32 GAA

One of these is Grubauer, another is Bernier before being traded for Frattin, Scrivens, and a 2nd, and the other is Jones right before being traded for Lucic and then flipped for a 1st and Kuraly. I think you're gonna be surprised by what Grubauer goes for if he's traded.

As an addendum, Grubauer is one of 16 goalies since the lockout to play at least 30 games before their 25th birthday, and post a sv% above .910 and a GAA below 2.50. That puts him in pretty decent company.

With all that said though, I think I'd take the Flames deal if it was on the table. Dumping Orpik and replacing him with a pending UFA would be hugely valuable down the line, and Johnson's a decent backup.

 

[KevinRedkey]

The trade partner would send a goalie back. I am thinking something like Orpik and Grubauer to Calgary for Chad Johnson and Deryk Engelland.

If I'm either team, I make that move honestly.

 

[airbus220]

Grubauer is one of 16 goalies since the lockout to play at least 30 games before their 25th birthday

You said it yourself, "one of 16".
How many RFA backups are traded each year? Must be a long line till teams ask for Grubauer.

Also RFA can be troublesome because they can choose arbitration. Why should I give up picks and get additional trouble. Makes no sense. Guys like Grubauer can be claimed off waivers sometimes, see Berube.
Have fun with Grubauer in arbitration. I can sign cheaper backups in July.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

You said it yourself, "one of 16".
How many RFA backups are traded each year? Must be a long line till teams ask for Grubauer.

Did you even click the link?

11 of those 16 are currently starting goaltenders in the NHL, and another (Howard) is a former starter. That leaves Grubauer, Pickard, Kuemper, and Raanta, of which Grubauer and Pickard are the only ones that hold much value since Kuemper isn't good and Raanta is a backup (albeit a good one).

I don't know where you're getting this idea that Philipp Grubauers grow on trees.

 

[Zoidberg Jesus]

You said it yourself, "one of 16".
How many RFA backups are traded each year? Must be a long line till teams ask for Grubauer.

Also RFA can be troublesome because they can choose arbitration. Why should I give up picks and get additional trouble. Makes no sense. Guys like Grubauer can be claimed off waivers sometimes, see Berube.
Have fun with Grubauer in arbitration. I can sign cheaper backups in July.

Click the link, look at the names of the other 15, and get back to me. Four of them have won Vezina's, five have been all-stars, four have won Jennings', eleven are currently their team's starter (plus one who was a starter but was pushed out by another player on the list. Three of them were traded at around the same age Grubauer currently is, and all three returned at least a 1st round pick (Schneider, Jones, and Andersen). This is not a list of random, no-name goalies.

 

[airbus220]

Did you even click the link?

11 of those 16 are currently starting goaltenders in the NHL, and another (Howard) is a former starter. That leaves Grubauer, Pickard, Kuemper, and Raanta, of which Grubauer and Pickard are the only ones that hold much value since Kuemper isn't good and Raanta is a backup (albeit a good one).

I don't know where you're getting this idea that Philipp Grubauers grow on trees.

I'm sorry, but what does GAA tell. This is a team stat.

 

[Blue Goose]

Seeing as there are a lot of teams in need of a goalie... What is the value of Grubauer? He is a talented and good goalie on a cheap contract and he is RFA.

Caps could trade him because he has value and they will lose him for free in the expansion draft for sure.

Vegas selecting Grubauer seems like a slam dunk: he'll likely be the best exposed 25-and-under goalie with the most NHL experience - and McPhee is the one who drafted him, so I'm sure he's happy with the development he's made.

Trading Grubauer makes sense for the Caps, but it would have to happen after the season, so they can use him during their playoff run if need be.

I'm sure there's going to be a flurry of trades happening between the end of the season and the announcement of each team's protected list, so using past expansion drafts as reference, this is what I expect could happen:

1. Washington will protect Holtby; Boston will protect Rask
2. Washington and Boston will work out a deal where the Bruins trade Khudobin and a pick/prospect to Washington for Grubauer
3. Khudobin will satisfy Washington's requirement of exposing a goalie under contract for next year; and Vegas will have their choice of Malcolm Subban or Grubauer, so that Boston can keep the other

It might not be those exact teams, but I see something along these lines - in which Grubauer is traded to a team who already stands to lose a young goalie of their own.

 

[airbus220]

Vegas selecting Grubauer seems like a slam dunk: he'll likely be the best exposed 25-and-under goalie with the most NHL experience

Vegas will have their choice of Malcolm Subban or Grubauer, so that Boston can keep the other

No, Vegas is neither interested in Grubauer nor in Subban. Especially when both are RFA and Vegas is only allowed to draft 10 RFA.

Goalies are not a problem at all. Vegas can get their goalies in July, but they have to draft 3.

Vegas will likely make a list with F or D from each team they would like to draft. 3 of the weakest players on this 30 team list will be replaced with goalies.

Those goalies who would be worth to draft will be protected. Of course much depends on this season, but Grubauer will likely get only little chance to prove himself and that's not enough. Vegas might draft Orlov.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm sorry, but what does GAA tell. This is a team stat.

That list also includes SV% as a primary selection factor.

 

[airbus220]

That list also includes SV% as a primary selection factor.

Then he might be #50, way down on the list.

If I would search for a goalie I would prefer other guys, not Grubauer. Grubauer is unproven, last season he never started 2 consecutive games. Why should he have trade value. Grubauer always has a walk in a park and for this easy workload he should be better.

 

[trick9]

Then he might be #50, way down on the list.

If I would search for a goalie I would prefer other guys, not Grubauer. Grubauer is unproven, last season he never started 2 consecutive games. Why should he have trade value. Grubauer always has a walk in a park and for this easy workload he should be better.

Since the start of last season, he actually stands tied 10th at .921 SV%, among goalies with atleast 15 starts.

He didn't start 2 consecutive games last season because he's behind the guy that won the Vezina -trophy last season.

 

[Zoidberg Jesus]

Then he might be #50, way down on the list.

If I would search for a goalie I would prefer other guys, not Grubauer. Grubauer is unproven, last season he never started 2 consecutive games. Why should he have trade value. Grubauer always has a walk in a park and for this easy workload he should be better.

You could figure it out for yourself by literally just clicking the link, then clicking save percentage to sort the list. He's 6th out of the 16 with a .922. If I include all goalies since the lockout with 30+ games played by their 25th birthday, he's 6th out of 59. I don't know why you think not starting consecutive games while backing up the Vezina winner matters, but what mystifies me even more is why you were willing to sift through his game log to find that but you weren't willing to take the seconds - literally seconds - to find out where he ranks in save percentage. It's almost as if you're stalling because you can't find anything to back up your opinion but you're not willing to admit that it was totally baseless.

 

[airbus220]

You could figure it out for yourself by literally just clicking the link, then clicking save percentage to sort the list. He's 6th out of the 16 with a .922. If I include all goalies since the lockout with 30+ games played by their 25th birthday, he's 6th out of 59. I don't know why you think not starting consecutive games while backing up the Vezina winner matters, but what mystifies me even more is why you were willing to sift through his game log to find that but you weren't willing to take the seconds - literally seconds - to find out where he ranks in save percentage. It's almost as if you're stalling because you can't find anything to back up your opinion but you're not willing to admit that it was totally baseless.

Sorry, if people ask me to click links, I won't click.

I think there must be something wrong with your list if you go back till 2004.
Where is Korpisalo and Domingue?

 

[frederixx]

Something around a 3rd. Doubt they trade him unless they get a 2nd and even then...

 

[Drake1588]

Grubaure is a nice player for what he makes, and the Caps would need a viable quality replacement for him if they dealt him. They could get a cheap warm body for him, but not a quality young guy. This is not sensible for Washington...

...and no, Grubauer will not be enough for the Caps to dump Orpik's contract. He's sticking around until an inevitable buyout.

 

[10coach*]

Seeing as there are a lot of teams in need of a goalie... What is the value of Grubauer? He is a talented and good goalie on a cheap contract and he is RFA.

Caps could trade him because he has value and they will loose him for free in the expansion draft for sure.

Caps have one bad contract (Brooks Orpik) and could use Grubauer as a tool to get rid off Orpik. Value coming back could be something like a veteran goalie and a veteran defenseman.

Hey man, thanks for asking the value. The answer is "not much"

 

[Zoidberg Jesus]

Sorry, if people ask me to click links, I won't click.

I think there must be something wrong with your list if you go back till 2004.
Where is Korpisalo and Domingue?

On the link I posted, 58th and 41st respectively.