OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Don't Cry Because It's Over, Smile Because it Happened (Offseason - 2023)

[FLYguy3911]

Trade down/out more than once on Day 1.

He may trade back from 10 or 30, but you know damn well Howie is trading up at some point.

They always fall in love with guys.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Trading down to 16 for Washington’s QB and then back up to 13 for JSN is now my favorite HOWIE scenario. People would lose their minds.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Trading down to 16 for Washington’s QB and then back up to 13 for JSN is now my favorite HOWIE scenario. People would lose their minds.

You really think getting another WR at 13 is the move? Is this in prep of Devonta moving on or something?

Tell me your wisdom JoJo!

(FWIW, I love that scenario from an entertainment aspect and our WR core would be objectively nasty...but it would be surprising).

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Trading down to 16 for Washington’s QB and then back up to 13 for JSN is now my favorite HOWIE scenario. People would lose their minds.

Is this an “Eagles going for the SB this year with a stacked offense” type scenario? Eagles could have a potent offense if they drafted JSN and Gibbs/Bijian.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Trading down to 16 for Washington’s QB and then back up to 13 for JSN is now my favorite HOWIE scenario. People would lose their minds.

You will not have Howell and if you speak like this again I will delete the forum

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You really think getting another WR at 13 is the move? Is this in prep of Devonta moving on or something?

Tell me your wisdom JoJo!

I have been consistent in saying they’re one weapon short. I wanted another one last year. WR, TE, whatever they want. It doesn’t have to be at 10 or even 30. But they need one.

Is this an “Eagles going for the SB this year with a stacked offense” type scenario? Eagles could have a potent offense if they drafted JSN and Gibbs/Bijian.

It’s just a “Don’t overthink picks” scenario. Take valuable positions early — QB, WR, CB, EDGE, OT. Exceptions should be a Quenton Nelson/Derwin James/Jeffery Simmons level prospect. There aren’t any of those this year except Carter.

I’m not even considering Bijan/Gibbs in their expected range. This RB class is deeeeeep. I would like one later.

*Edit* I swear I didn’t see Pauline post about JSN before I posted any of this. It just makes sense. They have the Slot open.

 

[JoemAvs]

Issue with getting another WR is that AJ Brown (remember the reports after the Giants game?) and DeVonta (I think Kempski said recently that he was very unhappy after game 1 when he did not get enough targets) are already not really happy with the targets.
And JSN certainly won't be happy about being option #4 in an offense. That has big drama written all over it.

That does not factor in that I personally think it wouldn't be a good use of ressource and that we just signed someone to compete with Quez (who according to Kempski also was not happy with his role).

Having 3 stud WRs and Goedert is nice on paper but I don't think its a good idea. We have 0 depth at O-Line right now and IMO are far too optimistic that Jurgens actually can play guard at a decent enough level. Cox and BG need to be replaced soon and we have two soon-to be 30+ corners.
There are plenty of high value positions we can strengthen instead of grabbing another WR in the 1st.

But yeah trading down clearly is the play.

I hope these rumors about the Vikings jumping into the top4 are not true because I really want them to trade up to #10 for a QB (giving us next years 1st in the process).

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I have been consistent in saying they’re one weapon short. I wanted another one last year. WR, TE, whatever they want. It doesn’t have to be at 10 or even 30. But they need one.

Actually, since you mentioned it, I had to say that I think TE is a bigger priority than we probably care to admit. I could definitely see a world where if the right TE falls to our 2nd pick, we'd take him.

I'm not with you on WR at 13, but I also am pro-add weapons so honestly...I wouldn't be upset either.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Actually, since you mentioned it, I had to say that I think TE is a bigger priority than we probably care to admit. I could definitely see a world where if the right TE falls to our 2nd pick, we'd take him.

I'm not with you on WR at 13, but I also am pro-add weapons so honestly...I wouldn't be upset either.

I really like quite a few TEs in this class. I'm probably going to be more comfortable taking a Sam LaPorta or Tucker Kraft or Zack Kuntz than a Dalton Kincaid even though I love him. The thing is, no one is particularly good at projecting TEs. My confidence level is just going to be higher in another position even at 30.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

I really like quite a few TEs in this class. I'm probably going to be more comfortable taking a Sam LaPorta or Tucker Kraft or Zack Kuntz than a Dalton Kincaid even though I love him. The thing is, no one is particularly good at projecting TEs. My confidence level is just going to be higher in another position even at 30.

Sounds like a 1950s television show sheriff in the Ol' West.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I really like quite a few TEs in this class. I'm probably going to be more comfortable taking a Sam LaPorta or Tucker Kraft or Zack Kuntz than a Dalton Kincaid even though I love him. The thing is, no one is particularly good at projecting TEs. My confidence level is just going to be higher in another position even at 30.

Musgrave for me. Easy first rounder if he doesn't get hurt this year. Wonder what kind of discount he goes for.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[ponder719]

I really like quite a few TEs in this class. I'm probably going to be more comfortable taking a Sam LaPorta or Tucker Kraft or Zack Kuntz than a Dalton Kincaid even though I love him. The thing is, no one is particularly good at projecting TEs. My confidence level is just going to be higher in another position even at 30.

I'm fairly certain we're due for another good TE pick. This team's done very, very well over the years I've been watching with TEs. Chad Lewis was a UDFA, but Celek, Ertz, and Goedert were all picks who panned out well, so I'm hoping we can build on what they learned with those selections. (Honestly, since 2007, we've taken 6 TEs, and only Cornelius Ingram was a complete washout. Our other picks were Celek, Clay Harbor, Ertz, Goedert, and Grant Calcaterra.)

I'm hoping we look at TE in Round 2 or 3, so we can line up Goedert's potential successor. Round 1 seems too high given the importance we rightly place on the OL/DL, and the holes we have opening up on both over the next couple years.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Musgrave for me. Easy first rounder if he doesn't get hurt this year. Wonder what kind of discount he goes for.

Yep, that works. You can probably rattle off another 3-4 TEs without blinking that would make you say, "Ok, sure. I can see it." This class is so good.

Although let me say this. Who do you think leads the TE class in Y/T, DAdj Y/T, Y/C, Missed Tackles/C, YAC/C, and Explosive Play Rate?

Spoiler

It's Darnell Washington. I get that there are sample size issues, but other guys have them too. This shocked me tbh.

 

[Chinatown88]

Yep, that works. You can probably rattle off another 3-4 TEs without blinking that would make you say, "Ok, sure. I can see it." This class is so good.

Although let me say this. Who do you think leads the TE class in Y/T, DAdj Y/T, Y/C, Missed Tackles/C, YAC/C, and Explosive Play Rate?

Spoiler

It's Darnell Washington. I get that there are sample size issues, but other guys have them too. This shocked me tbh.

I saw that tweet too but forgot to post it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Peter King has this today:

It's the specific info that's interesting. He has felt like a Howie player to me all along. The only thing that's changed is where you might be able to get him.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Peter King has this today:

It's the specific info that's interesting. He has felt like a Howie player to me all along. The only thing that's changed is where you might be able to get him.

Nolan Smith has been my pick for a decent while now, so I very much hope this happens!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It looks like Nick was on one last night.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’ve always wondered how often GM’s talk to other GM’s and people high in organizations to feel out who they will draft or kicking around trade proposals. It would be cool to get a behind the scenes glimpse of how this stuff works

 

[Taijuan Fedotov]

I'm fairly certain we're due for another good TE pick. This team's done very, very well over the years I've been watching with TEs. Chad Lewis was a UDFA, but Celek, Ertz, and Goedert were all picks who panned out well, so I'm hoping we can build on what they learned with those selections. (Honestly, since 2007, we've taken 6 TEs, and only Cornelius Ingram was a complete washout. Our other picks were Celek, Clay Harbor, Ertz, Goedert, and Grant Calcaterra.)

I'm hoping we look at TE in Round 2 or 3, so we can line up Goedert's potential successor. Round 1 seems too high given the importance we rightly place on the OL/DL, and the holes we have opening up on both over the next couple years.

Trey Burton as an UDFA too

 

[ponder719]

Trey Burton as an UDFA too

Yeah, the lines get all the attention, but the Eagles have been consistently one of the best teams at identifying TE talent, LJ Smith notwithstanding. I honestly kind of wish we'd prioritize the position more, and run more 2TE sets/build up value in our backups as trade fodder.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I wanted Witten so bad that year. I peaked too early.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I’ve always wondered how often GM’s talk to other GM’s and people high in organizations to feel out who they will draft or kicking around trade proposals. It would be cool to get a behind the scenes glimpse of how this stuff works

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I wanted Witten so bad that year. I peaked too early.

I am never, ever going to top having Fred Warner top 15. Look at this shit. This was a month before the draft. I'll be chasing this high the rest of my life without a prayer.

They should be the team that worries you. They had the most talented roster in football and added Peters, Talib, and Suh while keeping Joyner and replacing Ogletree. Watkins is overrated as a loss. Their DC is an all-timer and their play caller is downright tremendous. And they have the best player in football.

God forbid they're the ones to turn Dom Easley around too. I'm terrified of them taking Fred Warner at 23.

 

[achdumeingute]

Peter King has this today:

It's the specific info that's interesting. He has felt like a Howie player to me all along. The only thing that's changed is where you might be able to get him.

I still think we can trade down and get him in the mid teens (or other solid choices).